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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 16:06:58 GMT
Probably, Tony, although Radcliffe wouldn't have been able to map his brain. Unfortunately, that could mean they could bring him back on a whim any time :-( It's kind of a tradition with SHIELD stories in the original comics. I've lost count of the number of times Nick Fury or one of his inner circle have died only for it to eventually turn out to have been an LMD...
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2017 10:12:36 GMT
Probably, Tony, although Radcliffe wouldn't have been able to map his brain. Unfortunately, that could mean they could bring him back on a whim any time :-( I think the brain-mapping thing rules it out, definitely. Radcliffe may have created a whole world, but that doesn't mean any and every personality in that world of potentially billions has the fully fledged mental complexity to pass for a human. Or does it, with the Darkhold in the mix? I was going to say that the Framework must only create one single world for everybody, because multiple worlds to cater for everyone's 'dreams', if they conflict, would be too much. Again, would it be? No-one blinks at the notion of parallel universes taking different paths, in 'Star Trek', 'Sliders' or 'The Flash'. The Darkhold could end up creating multiple new realities, maybe in dimensions such as Dormammu's, as seen in 'Dr Strange'. That could be a pretty rad 'big bad' to end the season. With all these possibilities, a Ward LMD popping up could be small beer. Remember Moriarty in 'Star Trek; The Next Generation', tricking the crew into looking for a way his consciousness can survive outside the holo-deck? Or just recently, Thandie Newton's Maeve in 'Westworld', trying to get the hell out of Dodge?
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Post by bethb63 on May 28, 2017 20:46:51 GMT
So "Fitz" killed "Aggie". Couldn't they just reload her consciousness into the matrix (or whatever)?
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Post by Netz on May 29, 2017 14:44:23 GMT
I thought she died IRL, didn't she, because of her brain tumour?
I haven't watched last night's episode yet, but I'm glad Ward was brought back, even if it's just in the Framework. I always thought him and Jemma had great chemistry together (even though she makes a cute couple with Fitz) and wanted them to get together in earlier series, lol.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2017 16:55:06 GMT
So "Fitz" killed "Aggie". Couldn't they just reload her consciousness into the matrix (or whatever)? I think dead in the framework means dead for good, hence poor old Patriot being switched off at the end...
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Post by bethb63 on May 29, 2017 17:12:49 GMT
She did die IRL - or was close to it, but unless I've misunderstood (always possible), putting her in the framework was Radcliffe's plan to make her live on. And Radcliffe himself is dead IRL (he confirmed that to Daisy last week, I think), so that's not a barrier.
I think I'm struggling with the whole concept of the Framework.
It is nice to see Ward not being evil. But weird.
And nice to see Tripp.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2017 12:08:06 GMT
She did die IRL - or was close to it, but unless I've misunderstood (always possible), putting her in the framework was Radcliffe's plan to make her live on. And Radcliffe himself is dead IRL (he confirmed that to Daisy last week, I think), so that's not a barrier. I think I'm struggling with the whole concept of the Framework. It is nice to see Ward not being evil. But weird. And nice to see Tripp. The basic idea seems to be that your mind is transferred into the framework, so if your body dies back in the physical world your mind can live on, but if your mind dies while in the framework, you are completely gone for good and your physical body will die anyway. Because it's the mind that's the important part, not the body.
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Post by bethb63 on May 30, 2017 12:36:36 GMT
Ok. That's more logical than what I've been thinking and it almost makes sense to me, so I'll run with that.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2017 14:14:36 GMT
Seems to me that Aida ought to be God in the framework, and able to restore anyone who 'dies' in it, only not IRL, except via LMD. Which raises a thorny philosophical question, similar to the one about transporters in 'Star Trek'.
Except that, again, the Darkhold is the wild card which says all logic-based bets are off...
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Post by bethb63 on Jun 29, 2017 5:47:33 GMT
I have a random question about the finale. The Russian told Aida she couldn't kill him because she didn't know where he'd hidden his head. (And there's a sentence I could never imagine writing.) Do we assume his head got destroyed in the general mayhem?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 13:55:54 GMT
I have a random question about the finale. The Russian told Aida she couldn't kill him because she didn't know where he'd hidden his head. (And there's a sentence I could never imagine writing.) Do we assume his head got destroyed in the general mayhem? I wondered that. I'm kind of assuming he's still out there, somewhere.
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