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Post by beverley61 on Nov 25, 2019 13:34:10 GMT
My eldest read this first book in school. As she understood Mrs Coulter does not represent bad or evil, she represents logic and science and Lord Asriel represents spirituality and philosophy. Lyra may be a chance of centrality - but it's more complicated than that.
Good though, I haven't read them and will just watch and discover.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2019 15:27:40 GMT
Vicky is right, the production is brilliantly smooth and convincing. Only the main characters seem to have daemons - I find myself looking to see what is gadding about the feet of extras. I also think I would like one..... or on reflection may have one because there is a very large slow worm in the garden and last week it tried to get in through the front door. Mmm.
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Post by beverley61 on Nov 25, 2019 15:39:19 GMT
The only problem I am having is the interpretation of the daemons. I mean why would you go to tea with someone whose daemon is a poisonous snake. Why wouldn't you be furious if yours turned out to be a horrible thing. Surely there would be some system to redeem yourself and get a better one. I know it's a children's book and I am possibly thinking too deep, but imagine you started a new job and went into the office and everyone had awful daemons. You'd need counselling!!
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Post by vicky on Nov 25, 2019 15:48:13 GMT
Can you actually see the daemons of people you meet? Are they only visible to us, the audience, as indicators of a person's character whereas the other characters would have to make that judgement for themselves, just as we do when we meet someone? As a sufferer of chronic bird phobia, there are an awful lot of people in this that I would avoid if I could see their feathered daemons!
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Post by bidiein on Nov 25, 2019 15:58:23 GMT
I think you must be able to see them. Lyra asked Mrs C how she
"could be so far away from her daemon" when she found it in the study.
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Post by vicky on Nov 25, 2019 16:44:44 GMT
Yes, of course she did; I'd forgotten that bit.
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Post by bidiein on Nov 25, 2019 17:00:21 GMT
Everyone is supposed to have one, but they can be tiny - ladybirds, spiders etc or flying overhead like birds, butterflies etc.
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Post by beverley61 on Nov 25, 2019 18:18:44 GMT
Yes the man squeezed the journalists daemon to death in the car, bet she wished it had turned into a tiger.
I thought Lyra's daemon was a pole cat.
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Post by beverley61 on Nov 25, 2019 18:19:21 GMT
Sorry make that pine Martin- post surgery codeine kicking in .
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Post by vicky on Nov 25, 2019 18:35:47 GMT
It became something different last night....maybe an Arctic Fox I thought?
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Post by bidiein on Nov 25, 2019 19:02:45 GMT
It can adapt to the circumstances until it takes its final form. It was a bird for part of the time in earlier episodes.
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Post by Miranda on Nov 25, 2019 20:06:06 GMT
It can be tricky using a daemon to represent a personality. I love birds. I'd feel very warm towards anyone who had a bird as a daemon. I hate slugs and would actively avoid anyone who had one. But the bird person could be an utter barstud and the slug person lovely. Unless every single person on the planet sees every animal the same way, it wouldn't work.
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Post by beverley61 on Nov 25, 2019 20:20:27 GMT
Yes even utter bastards would probably pick a koala bear or something.
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Post by bidiein on Nov 25, 2019 20:48:28 GMT
I think we have to accept that in this dimension snakes, rats, weasels, slugs etc are not necessarily bad creatures. So how WE view them is not necessarily how those in Pullman's world will do so.
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Post by marion on Dec 1, 2019 20:55:24 GMT
What is all this stuff going on in Will's world about?
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