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Post by Miranda on Jan 30, 2017 16:59:59 GMT
He loves her. She doesn't love him.
And he always has problems with women. In the original Morse, it was a running joke in our house that any women Morse fell for would turn out to be the murderer!
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Post by pearl06 on Jan 30, 2017 17:00:55 GMT
He didn't get married and as far as I recall he stayed in the Oxford police for his whole career.
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Post by vicky on Jan 30, 2017 17:34:22 GMT
He didn't get married and as far as I recall he stayed in the Oxford police for his whole career. Thanks for answering my question. Now I know not to get my hopes up in the next series!
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Post by goodhelenstar on Jan 30, 2017 17:35:15 GMT
He was engaged to Susan at one time, and there was a suggestion last week that that relationship ended because her dreadful mother didn't approve of him. Susan appeared in an episode of Inspector Morse, played by Joanna David. As far as we knew in Morse that was his only serious relationship and he didn't have any luck with women – too busy doing the crossword and drinking beer! And playing Wagner very loudly.
The older Morse wasn't a very nice man – he was an intellectual snob who treated Lewis very badly and who was pretty insubordinate to his boss CI Strange. But he did have a habit of being right ... I think they've depicted the younger characters very well, particularly Strange. I don't remember Bright or any of the Thursdays ever being mentioned in the Morse series.
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Post by Miranda on Jan 30, 2017 17:36:57 GMT
I don't think he ever talked much about his past in Morse. Which is good for the writers of Endeavour, when you think about it!
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Post by goodhelenstar on Jan 30, 2017 17:39:27 GMT
Yes, that's true. Endeavour's sister Joyce was invented for this series, I think. I couldn't quite work out his family – I had the impression the older woman in the family home when he went to visit his dying father was her mother but not his.
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Post by Miranda on Jan 30, 2017 17:50:11 GMT
No, Joyce did exist in Morse. Remember the one about the raves and the drug that was making teenagers kill themselves? I'm fairly sure that Morse's niece was one of them. ETA: Just looked it up and I'm right: www.imdb.com/title/tt0611634/It was directed by Danny Boyle. So no wonder I remember it! EATA: Have changed the name from Joan to Joyce as I confused myself.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 20:06:31 GMT
No, Morse never married in the books or the original TV series and as far as I remember he spent his entire police career in Oxford, never leaving to go to another force. Hid did go to Australia on a case and to another in Italy but it was from Oxford. Before he came to Oxford he may have started his career elsewhere. I remember it was mentioned he had been in the army.
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Post by diziet sma on Jan 30, 2017 21:50:35 GMT
I don't understand Miranda. Your quote doesn't mention Joan....
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Post by Miranda on Jan 30, 2017 21:59:38 GMT
Why would it? His sister is called Joyce.
ETA: Doh! Sorry, just realised what I did. I meant Joyce in that post. Thanks Diz!
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Post by cali4ster on Jan 30, 2017 22:06:54 GMT
No, Joan did exist in Morse. Remember the one about the raves and the drug that was making teenagers kill themselves? I'm fairly sure that Morse's niece was one of them. ETA: Just looked it up and I'm right: www.imdb.com/title/tt0611634/It was directed by Danny Boyle. So no wonder I remember it! Danny Boyle also directed " Masonic Mysteries", probably the best Morse film. Joyce was Morse's half-sister. His parents divorced and his father remarried. In the book " The Riddle of the Third Mile", Morse's earlier life is covered in detail, in flashback, including dropping out of University, because of his failed relationship, and joining the army. That book was adapted as " The Last Enemy" but his past was only briefly referred to by comparison. Some good dialogue, in the film, too: Dr. Russell, "Shall I show you (the corpse)?" Morse, "No, thank you, my dear. I'll leave that to Sergeant Lewis." Dr. Russell, "I do wish you wouldn't call me 'your dear,' Morse." Morse, "How does one address a lady pathologist first thing in the morning?" Dr. Russell, "Well, 'Doctor' would do."
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Post by Miranda on Jan 30, 2017 22:11:34 GMT
It was never much discussed in the TV series though? IIRC anyway.
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Post by cali4ster on Jan 30, 2017 22:24:06 GMT
It was never much discussed in the TV series though? IIRC anyway. No, hardly at all. In " The Last Enemy" it was only discussed enough to show that Morse had history with the Master of Lonsdale.
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Post by goodhelenstar on Jan 31, 2017 9:27:06 GMT
Thanks, both.
I remember that conversation. Misogynistic old so and so!
I've only read one or two of the books and hadn't picked that up about his family. I did know he'd dropped out of university because of his failed relationship. The writers of Endeavour will be referring to the books, of course, so there will be things in the TV series that are not familiar from the TV Morse, though I believe all the Masonic stuff was inspired by that episode of Morse.
I do remember that the books started out as Agatha Christie-style crime stories, very wordy with swathes of descriptive writing and with the big reveal over many pages in the closing chapter. Then later they became more dialogue-based, as he was writing with a view to them being adapted for TV. Many writers do that but Colin Dexter was generous enough to acknowledge that the TV shows improved his writing.
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Post by Miranda on Jan 31, 2017 12:06:05 GMT
The character of Morse himself changed gradually as well, to fit in with John Thaw's version.
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