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Post by Geoffers on Mar 21, 2018 7:14:15 GMT
Just been thinking a bit more about this and Michael Barrymore springs to mind.
Never been in court,yet he was dropped like a stone by everbody, and still to this day is seeking compensation for wrongful arrest,which l think has been granted.
Not a good comparison, but one where the mighty has fallen.
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Post by Miranda on Mar 21, 2018 10:15:04 GMT
Wasn't that on a wrongful death charge, Geoffers? I'm not arguing, just checking that I have the right story.
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Post by Geoffers on Mar 21, 2018 10:28:17 GMT
Again,there was never a charge,there was an arrest ,nothing ever came to court,but there was a body found in a pool in his garden.
In fact it remains an unexplained death.
But the whole suspicion fell on Michael Barrymore and that was the end of his career.
And now l think of John Leslie and an unproved rape allegation.
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Post by Miranda on Mar 21, 2018 10:38:21 GMT
Hmm... TBH, with the John Leslie thing, it may be unproven in court but ... with the way he got dropped I think people knew about it and Ulrika Johnson may have been one amongst others. And the fact she made it public gave programme makers a good reason to drop him.
We know for certain that TV companies used to cover up sexual scandals as far as possible. So I wouldn't be at all surprised.
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Post by Geoffers on Mar 21, 2018 10:46:24 GMT
Personally,if an allegation had been made against me,and it was not proven in court,l would sue anybody who said otherwise.
Which,apparently, John Leslie in hindsight which he had.
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Post by Miranda on Mar 21, 2018 11:05:11 GMT
Well... he says that now.... and it's easy enough to say.
And this is all really besides the point. Ant hasn't had an allegation made against him. He's failed a breathalyser test. He's a drunk driver and he's admitted he has problems with addiction. This is his second stint in rehab. So it's not really comparable to John Leslie.
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Post by Geoffers on Mar 21, 2018 11:11:04 GMT
My point is people are prejudging without knowing all the facts.
And until any charges are made ,and it comes to court,we should not pre-judge.
That is how justice is served.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2018 11:16:13 GMT
This just shows how mud sticks, once someone has been accused of a crime even if it never comes to court there are always people willing to say ‘Well there’s no smoke without fire ‘ also the initial story makes headlines while the subsequent lack of evidence is printed somewhere in the paper in a small paragraph that no one sees.
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Post by beverley61 on Mar 21, 2018 12:38:44 GMT
ON Saturday morning a Sunderland footballer ploughed into a series of parked cars and was arrested after failing a breathalyser test a the scene. He caused a lot of damage but the cars were all parked and nobody was injured. He was immediately called 'scum' and other insults on social media with many comments referring the amount of money he earns etc. The next day Ant is arrested after failing a breathalyser test at the scene after causing a multiple car crash on a main road with people in each vehicle and people on social media were immediately going "Oh poor man", "Oh he needs help". Ant has millions in the bank and can certainly afford to employ a full time driver, if not two on shifts. Sympathy yes, compassion for a man in trouble but no excuses and no hypocrisy. Full force of the law.
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Post by Miranda on Mar 21, 2018 12:47:42 GMT
That was my point, Beverley. I found it odd when so many people are feeling sorry for Ant and yet most drunk drivers are reviled on social media. So I don't think it's me that is prejudging. Ant failed a breathalyser test and put the lives of four people at risk, one of whom was a 3 year old child. So maybe turn it around and not declare innocent until we know he is.
He's a drunk driver. He's not some poor misunderstood soul whose had nasty things said about him with no foundation.
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Post by Rufus Firefly on Mar 21, 2018 12:58:26 GMT
He certainly has issues and being estranged from his wife hasn't helped things. Being wealthy counts for nothing when your suffering like this.
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Post by Miranda on Mar 21, 2018 13:03:04 GMT
Lots of drunk drivers have issues that make them drink. Doesn't mean they shouldn't be prosecuted for it. They chose to drive knowing they had alcohol in them. Including Ant McPartlin. And as Beverley pointed out, he can afford to employ a driver. He chose to drive himself.
What is it about this particular person that is making you all feel sorry for him when you don't feel sorry for other drink drivers? Would you feel differently if he'd actually killed that little girl instead of just sending her to the hospital for a checkup? Where's the line on this?
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Post by Geoffers on Mar 21, 2018 13:13:55 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2018 13:21:01 GMT
Hate the sin, pity the sinner? No one has condoned what he’s alleged to have done, not at all, if he’s found guilty of causing an accident while under the influence he deserves to be punished and his license removed. What we are saying is that he needs help, as does anyone with alcohol or drug dependency.
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Post by Miranda on Mar 21, 2018 13:24:01 GMT
I don't deny it. But I am taken aback at the hypocrisy shown. You like this bloke so it's 'hate the sin'. But if you don't like them then you blame them for whatever happened. As you have done on this board before now.
You can't have it both ways.
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