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Post by marion on Jul 19, 2024 8:32:07 GMT
Nadiya and Kai have broken up. That’s a shame.
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Post by sootycat on Jul 19, 2024 10:49:13 GMT
It is sad isn't it.
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Post by marion on Jul 21, 2024 8:57:21 GMT
The papers seem to be recalling every incident ever reported on in Strictly history. But one thing, re the James and Georgina video, which he is now saying was exaggerated for “comedic” effect. The BBC aired this on ITT, without any hint of criticism, it was all part of their “bad boys of ballroom” shtick. So I think the BBC are on a sticky wicket here. Also, every time Karen and other women have been on ITT, Claudia or the later hosts have always gone on about how incredibly strict she is. Did the BBC actually care what was going on? I don’t for one minute believe that no one knew. Vanessa said on her radio show yesterday that all her rehearsals were recorded. So did the production people just skim through it for promising ITT snippets and just ignore anything untoward? It seems to me that the stories which gun for individual pros should be doing the same for the production people allegedly running the show.
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Jul 21, 2024 10:02:05 GMT
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Post by beverley61 on Jul 21, 2024 10:02:05 GMT
The BBC are responsible. They hire the dancers and nowadays they are around as part of the troupe before they end up getting a partner for perhaps a couple of years. This means they get to know them much more. It wasn't the case before.
What doesn't seem to have changed is the background training the dancers get. These are not usually dance teachers, they are still actively pursuing their careers. Some of them will never have taught before they get the job. This is a critical time and this is when the production team should have mentors in place. Not just chaperones, but actual dance teachers who have been teaching amateurs. Who are schooled in keeping it safe and happy, because that's how they make a living.
I think some passion and frustration is acceptable, let's not pretend training for Strictly is not a physical and sometimes difficult thing. Both parties can and will get angry with themselves when for the umpteenth time they forget a critical step. A step they can do. I'm not talking about a step they've never been able to master, that is where the dance teacher comes in and says OK it's Thursday let's knock that one on the head and try something simpler.
Personalities will clash, as we've said before you have a dancer who wants to win and a celebrity who wants to enhance their career. It has been reported that many celebrities like the side by side dancing best because they're facing the camera and haven't got long periods with their back to it. So there will be prima donnas on both sides. And all of us have noticed the increase in side by side dancing and commented that some dancers were 60% side by side and 10% lifts/drags/spins with only 30% being a waltz.
The cameras will help everyone. Vanessa Feltz says the cameras were always in her rehearsals all the time and there is certainly more footage available to the BBC. On that basis the cameras are only as good as the people monitoring them.
The BBC makes a lot of money from the show and it seems to have had little oversight into behind the scenes issues.
Let's have less commentary on this person being a hard taskmaster, a strict teacher etc too.
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Post by marion on Jul 21, 2024 10:10:03 GMT
Oh interesting, I have never seen that comment about the side to side dancing being preferred because it means you are facing the camera!!! I always thought it was because they had more freedom than when in hold and doing more technical stuff! 😂😂😂
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Jul 21, 2024 19:21:44 GMT
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Post by beverley61 on Jul 21, 2024 19:21:44 GMT
I imagine that it's a bit of both in reality, good for the celebs, good for the camera crew and often wastes a bit of time where an actual VW dance step could've been used.
You know a bit of faffing about, a bit of a rest, side steps and swaying, even a bit of a sit down, they all do it. It didn't get past Len though!
Alternatively, you can swish your partner around in a circle on the floor or drag them a bit up the dance floor.
All the tricks are in there. We always spot them and sometimes they actually are in keeping with the dance, just overdone.
Some can be technical like when it's supposed to be there in a Charleston or quick step. I'm really talking about the fill bits, the slow walk towards each other, things like that.
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Post by marion on Jul 21, 2024 19:25:59 GMT
I particularly hate it when they sit down on a bench and jiggle their feet around. Well, except for Bill Bailey in Rappers’ Delight.
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Post by marion on Jul 22, 2024 14:14:01 GMT
Will Bailey has spoken out about the injury he sustained after that jump he attempted from that table. He is quite scathing about TPTB and said that even his coach said it was not the right thing to do, he was not rushed to hospital but treated in his room and the injury has had a lasting impact.
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Jul 22, 2024 15:53:44 GMT
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Post by beverley61 on Jul 22, 2024 15:53:44 GMT
I have read what he has said and he is clear that Janette did not force him to do anything, she just encouraged him to give it more effort.
I can see where he is coming from but all jumps are dangerous and the BBC paid for his surgery at a specialist clinic and the after care including physiotherapy. They did not pay his loss of earnings claim, because he was paid the full amount for his Strictly contract, which covered weeks after he was eliminated and a portion of the tour if he had taken part.
It was a dreadful fall and he was clearly injured. He says they took him to an offstage area to see how he was and to see if he thought he could try dancing again after a rest. He claims they should have called an ambulance and got him to hospital straight away. Perhaps, they should have. Sometimes it's hard to know how injured someone is after a fall. There was nothing to stop him phoning for an ambulance, he wasn't unconscious, there was nothing to stop him insisting they did. He is an adult. He was in hospital within hours of the incident.
We would probably have to get a lift or a taxi because ambulances dont come out to you for this kind of injury unless there is a lot of bleeding. We would wait many hours in A&E and with no obvious break, we'd probably wait months for surgery if it was even offered. Nevertheless we would all get ourselves checked out if we had a serious fall and our leg was still very painful a couple of hours later and we were struggling to stand on it. So his injury does seem to have been dealt with relatively quickly. TBF we might even wait until the next day to see how it was.
I suspect journalists have tracked him down to interview him. They're probably going through all the ex-dancers as we speak.
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Post by marion on Jul 22, 2024 19:19:17 GMT
Will seems to have beef with the casting director (I think that’s the title) who left him off the group WhatsApp and was otherwise unpleasant about him, but I can’t remember the deets. I don’t think he has made any adverse comments about Janette, but the strong implication coming through is that TPTB have a lot of input into the dances. Originally I think the pros picked both the music and set the whole routine.
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Jul 22, 2024 19:59:08 GMT
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Post by beverley61 on Jul 22, 2024 19:59:08 GMT
They can't make you do a back flip off a table, though can they. They can ask, they can tell you how great it will look, but they can't make you. You would have to have a bit of a dare devil adventurous streak in you to start with.
Some celebrities go all the way through with nothing much more than a bit of a lift from the waist others flip flak all over the place.
Saying that there's a lot of people saying Max Whitlock is a shoe in. He's retiring after the Olympics.
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Post by marion on Jul 22, 2024 20:17:05 GMT
No you’re right, they can’t. It all seems very very peculiar to me! I mean you expect that ski jump show and DOI to be pretty risky, but amateur dancing shouldn’t be really should it. Just as well Max is doing the show AFTER he’s retired then!
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Post by linseed on Jul 22, 2024 22:54:53 GMT
Will seems to have beef with the casting director (I think that’s the title) who left him off the group WhatsApp and was otherwise unpleasant about him, but I can’t remember the deets. I don’t think he has made any adverse comments about Janette, but the strong implication coming through is that TPTB have a lot of input into the dances. Originally I think the pros picked both the music and set the whole routine. TPTB? can someone remind me?
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Post by vicky on Jul 23, 2024 5:27:48 GMT
Will seems to have beef with the casting director (I think that’s the title) who left him off the group WhatsApp and was otherwise unpleasant about him, but I can’t remember the deets. I don’t think he has made any adverse comments about Janette, but the strong implication coming through is that TPTB have a lot of input into the dances. Originally I think the pros picked both the music and set the whole routine. TPTB? can someone remind me? And me please.
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Post by marion on Jul 23, 2024 8:25:04 GMT
The Powers That Be.
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