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Post by vicky on Mar 23, 2021 6:54:28 GMT
Bloody hell, that made I jump! Is that how Nicola Walker is leaving the series? That was my feeling. What a shock.
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Post by sootycat on Mar 23, 2021 12:14:53 GMT
I hope she is not leaving
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Post by beverley61 on Mar 23, 2021 12:41:38 GMT
The preview for next week's only says Sunny and the team continue to investigate, but that could be clever wordplay.
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Post by goodhelenstar on Mar 24, 2021 14:06:19 GMT
Having watched a second time, it's hard to see how Cassie can survive the crash. Remarkable escapes and recoveries happen all the time on TV (Steve being thrown down the stairs in Line of Duty, for example), but not so far in this series. There are theories elsewhere that the crash was deliberate, but it seems to me to have been a horrible accident, a result of her being tired and distracted, upset by her father not returning her calls, and absent-mindedly jumping a red light (which we could see reflected on her hand as she held the phone, with the green light showing through the window). In any case, I can't see how removing her from the investigation would help any of the suspects as all the facts so far known will still be there and she had discussed strategy with Sunny, who is perfectly capable.
If she isn't killed she will certainly be incapacitated, leaving Sunny to lead the investigation. Perhaps though it will bring her the closure she needs, reconciliation with her father, and not having to work out the rest of her notice.
I'm still not convinced either by Liz or Fiona. Liz is very credible as an emotionally abused daughter, seeking her mother's approval just as Ram seeks his father's – in fact that seems to be the thread connecting them as the others were also scarred by their parents in some way. But it doesn't square with her rise through the police, a notoriously difficult profession for women. The women we see in real life who have made it to the top are brimming with self-confidence. And it irks that the police interviews are being conducted without legal representation or, in the case of the two coppers, their Fed Rep.
And Fiona – my goodness! What a back story, and we still don't know the whole truth there, I think. No wonder Geoff and the kids were looking shell-shocked. The lack of licence to practise seems a bit over the top – psychotherapists are not required to be licensed in the UK, though presumably she could command a better rate if she were. I'm still puzzled by why they were opening new premises that required a business loan in the first place – she said back in the first episode that it wasn't her idea and she was dragging her heels, particularly at signing the papers. And we don't know what Geoff does for a living, not that it matters to the story but it's strange that it's never been mentioned, given that he is financially liable too. Unless, as they are not married, he isn't!
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Post by Miranda on Mar 24, 2021 14:12:28 GMT
I have a feeling that Geoff is not what he seems so far. I think he is controlling but has just realised that he's bitten off more than he can chew.
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Post by LoopyLobes on Mar 24, 2021 15:27:21 GMT
Seems a long wait between episodes.
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Post by hoodylover on Mar 24, 2021 20:03:26 GMT
I've binge watched it, because I'm using up the last of my annual leave. Really enjoyed it and looking forward to the last episode. Horrified by the cliff hanger at the end. We're talking fatality or life-changing injuries at least. I wouldn't like Cassie's story to end like that. She seemed so full of bitterness, and I think her boyfriend is right, she's angry because she's losing her father, not because of money. Is Nicola Walker leaving? She IS the programme for me, although the rest of her team are great.
Ram looks like favourite to be the killer. For that reason, I'm not going for him. My money's on the wannabe Chief Constable. I don't know how she could have done it, but the chilling way she spoke to her equally chilling mother in the latest episode makes me think she would be more than capable. She seemed to still have feelings for her former girlfriend too, which would give her a motive.
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Post by bethb63 on Mar 24, 2021 20:24:22 GMT
Ram seems to be too obvious a villain to me. And the pen being the murder weapon doesn’t seem like something he would use.
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Post by LoopyLobes on Mar 24, 2021 21:20:15 GMT
The pen was, I think, just forced in after he was already dead or dying from a smashed in head. Out of anger?
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Post by geometryman on Mar 25, 2021 8:18:25 GMT
Yes, why a pen of all things - surely there's got to be some significance in that? Somebody wrote or signed something, or refused to sign something?
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Post by marion on Mar 25, 2021 10:07:45 GMT
I think Liz is the most likely user of a fountain pen! Especially a good one where they can trace the number of the nib. (I became desperate for a Mont Blanc set once, cost the earth, barely used it, don’t know where it is now!)
I think the crash is Nicola’s exit from the series either through death or severe injury.
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Post by LoopyLobes on Mar 25, 2021 14:28:40 GMT
All four of them have been seen using fountain pens. I'm guessing they all had them to celebrate their passing out day. I've been glued to the fountain pens bit as there's one in the opening sequence too, lying on the ground with a snail on the nib. I don't see how the pen in the head will tell for sure who killed Matt Walsh because anyone could have found it and then used it. Also I don't see that it killed him as he was already lying there with a broken head by the sound of it, fell against bricks or whatever. Then someone drove the pen into the wound. I think.
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Post by beverley61 on Mar 25, 2021 15:29:47 GMT
The final blow can be considered the murderous one. A person may be dying or perhaps not if they got medical treatment, if you then do something to quicken the death or in other words inevitably cause it, that is murder. If you see a person injured and you think they are dying you should phone for help and start to administer whatever first aid you think is appropriate, even if that amounts to talking to them and holding their hand.
Someone else may have beaten him, more than one person may have beaten him, but the person that forced the pen through the skull into the brain did so with murderous intent. A beating however bad may be considered a rash or reckless act due to diminished responsibility, but taking a pen and stabbing someone with it is not. Malice aforethought and so on.
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Post by LoopyLobes on Mar 25, 2021 17:27:38 GMT
Didn't the pathologist say that the pen went in post-mortem? Suggesting Matt Walsh was dead before the pen entered his brain.
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Post by geometryman on Mar 25, 2021 22:43:15 GMT
Didn't the pathologist say that the pen went in post-mortem? Suggesting Matt Walsh was dead before the pen entered his brain. Been checking - no, she said "I guess it could have been inserted post mortem, but why?".
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