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Post by LoopyLobes on Mar 26, 2021 16:59:45 GMT
There's going to be a lot packed in to that last episode on Monday, isn't there? I wonder how they'll manage it.
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Post by Reithian on Mar 29, 2021 21:03:12 GMT
Glad I stayed with this as the final episode was very moving.
Could not quite understand why the engraved pen was left behind. Could someone please explain.
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Post by beverley61 on Mar 29, 2021 21:06:38 GMT
Aah, I wanted to be happy they caught them but Cass dying was just so sad that catching them was secondary really.
They were a bad bunch. I didn't buy that all they did was conceal a body they thought had tripped and killed themselves. I think they knew more had gone on and the guilt was that they knew he was murdered.
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Post by beverley61 on Mar 29, 2021 21:08:25 GMT
I think the pen was pushed right in, so you couldn't see it from the surface in all the blood.
I think he told his mother he'd done it.
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Post by linseed on Mar 29, 2021 21:10:27 GMT
That was so good. Heartbreaking but good.
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Post by LoopyLobes on Mar 29, 2021 21:35:36 GMT
Glad I stayed with this as the final episode was very moving. Could not quite understand why the engraved pen was left behind. Could someone please explain. Not sure what you mean there, Reithian. The engraved pen was left inside Matt Walsh's head. It was driven right in and left there. A great, but sad ending. Still lots of questions in my mind that I wish had been answered.
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Post by Miranda on Mar 29, 2021 23:50:45 GMT
There I was, watching the interviews and thinking 'well this is a bit meh, compared to the last series'. And then... that ending. So I guess, for once, the crime was secondary to the story of Cass.
And now I'm sobbing.
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Post by bethb63 on Mar 30, 2021 6:31:02 GMT
Solving the crime was quite anticlimactic. I felt quite sorry for Ram, but not the rest of them.
Oh, but the end wrecked me. So sad.
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Post by vicky on Mar 30, 2021 7:37:08 GMT
There I was, watching the interviews and thinking 'well this is a bit meh, compared to the last series'. And then... that ending. So I guess, for once, the crime was secondary to the story of Cass. And now I'm sobbing. I ended up crying too. Now it has finished and we know the outcome I agree about the crime being secondary. I think that the whole intention of the series was, in fact, to bring Cass's story to an end. I did think that the interview scene where Dean confessed was very powerful though and that Andy Nyman's acting was brilliant. I was actually moved by it and especially the contrast between the near hysterical confession and the impassivity of the two police officers hearing it. They managed to convey mixed emotions - distaste on the one hand and sympathy on the other - without saying a word or moving a muscle.That was how it made me feel too.
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Post by Miranda on Mar 30, 2021 7:40:59 GMT
I think if I hadn't seen the amazing interviews in the last series, I would have felt the same. But they were very hard to top. The confession gave me chills and was brilliantly acted.
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Post by beverley61 on Mar 30, 2021 7:59:46 GMT
I wanted to feel sorry for Ram but he'd been smuggling drugs for years and clearly knew Walsh had been murdered and used that knowledge to make Barton be the courier.
I wasn't convinced that the two women would only be charged with body theft and it was rubbish to suggest that a lack of licence would send her to prison. She was a psychotherapist and had the degree and Masters, a dangerous driving conviction wouldn't have stopped her getting a DBS or any kind of licence. I know you don't need one to practice because her actual qualifications are enough in this country and she wasn't a psychologist, but just going with the story presented she still wouldn't go to prison for that. Frankly her past wouldn't preclude her from coming out of prison and starting to practice again as there was no suggestion she had treated her clients badly or taken advantage of them in any way. Putting BA, MA after your name is enough.
I am not sure that psychotherapists have BS, MSc.
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Post by Reithian on Mar 30, 2021 8:15:14 GMT
Glad I stayed with this as the final episode was very moving. Could not quite understand why the engraved pen was left behind. Could someone please explain. Not sure what you mean there, Reithian. The engraved pen was left inside Matt Walsh's head. It was driven right in and left there. A great, but sad ending. Still lots of questions in my mind that I wish had been answered. Yes, I realised it was embedded and left inside but why use a murder weapon that has your initials engraved on it and was given as a special present?. If it was the only thing you had then why not try to remove it after the dreadful deed? A recently qualified police officer would surely realise how incriminating it could be if ever found. It was I suppose symbolic in an act of revenge. But this is not going to detract from the excellence of the drama and the acting.
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Post by Miranda on Mar 30, 2021 8:16:55 GMT
The one I felt sorry for was Elizabeth. She'd made a life for herself with a good job and a woman who loved her and it all got blown apart by one stupid action. Plus her mother.
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Post by goodhelenstar on Mar 30, 2021 9:07:35 GMT
I imagine Dean's action was committed as in a fit of blind rage when he realised who Walsh was, and having murdered him his instinct was to cover it up, just as the two women did, while Ram was the only one of the four who tried to save him – though carrying out CPR on someone with a blunt instrument in his brain was futile and even if they had called an ambulance, Matt was dead. Dean said in one of his interviews that we never really leave out past behind us, which in his case was true.
The business of Fiona's licence to practice does seem to have been an error in the writer's research. She said she had a PhD which was real, and her training was real, so she was qualified. It might have been simpler to give her a profession that did require her to have accreditation, or indeed have her accredited as a psychotherapist – that wouldn't have lessened her guilt. The reason for her psychotherapy was so that we could see her with a patient early on. I think we were simply meant to understand that she was a bundle of contradictions and behind the capable mother and psychotherapist was a lost child still seeking parental approval. I never understood why Geoff was pushing her into acquiring new premises in the first place, which is how it all came out – though it would have done anyway when the police came calling.
So Cassie is gone. I shall miss her and her team's quiet, unshowy policing, in stark contrast to other police dramas including Waking the Dead, also about cold cases, which became increasingly ludicrous as the series rolled on and on and on. There's talk of Unforgotten continuing with a new lead, or Sunny stepping up with a new DI. If they do, I will watch, but I kind of hope they don't!
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Post by beverley61 on Mar 30, 2021 10:02:25 GMT
I would watch with Sunny as the lead, it was good to have someone just pleasant being in the police.
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