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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2016 15:15:01 GMT
The BBC did a survey of fans, and this is what they said:  www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36681995Any thoughts on the way forward? Should they be thinking of the team at this point, or should they -- as I think -- be thinking more about what it means to be a team at the moment, get the right people in place behind the scenes first, and get the right manager, and work from there. You can have a lot of good players, but, if they don't work as a team, then it has little meaning. |
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Post by Miranda on Jul 1, 2016 15:29:27 GMT
They need to get some players who actually give a crap about playing for their country. Cos they don't seem to at the moment.
There were some good players in our team. And they play week in and week out with players who are even better. But they turn into 3 legged donkeys as soon as they pull on the 3 Lions. So it's not a lack of skill, it's the wrong attitude.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2016 15:48:18 GMT
I'd like us to try and emulate Germany and, to that end, we should try to get Jurgen Klinsmann.
The fact that I've always thought him a bit of alright is absolutely nothing to do with it!
Also, I'vd said this before, look to The Championship. Maybe some second tier players would be proud to play for England.
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Post by cali4ster on Jul 1, 2016 15:54:54 GMT
I have no idea on the way forward for England and, to be perfectly honest, really don't care anymore because, it appears, no-one that is directly connected appears to either. When they do, I might. But none of that is important, right now. Far more pressing is, how did Beaker get into the England side under the name Harry Kane? EH? .jpg) |
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Post by marion on Jul 1, 2016 16:00:11 GMT
I was about to make the same point as flea. Rather than going for Premier players who apparently don't give a stuff, look at the lower leagues for some players who do.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2016 19:22:46 GMT
I wonder if players were paid for results it would make a difference.
For example, they could get half as much if they lose.
They need more of an incentive.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2016 9:31:04 GMT
It doesn't matter how you qualify as long as you do. Italy show us that.
It doesn't matter how well you play in the finals as long as you stay in. Italy and Germany show us that.
It doesn't matter how you get to the final as long as you do. Guess who show us that.
There is this kind of silly belief that an England side not only has to win, it has to annihilate any opposition. England doesn't just have to beat other teams it has to completely destroy them, their players, coaches, infrastructure, team bus driver and state President. Otherwise England has only done half the job - "we wuz lucky" of "if they'd scored another 4 goals we'd have been in trouble".
We look back at the glory days of '66 as if we dominated world football. We didn't. We deserved to win the WC in '66 because we had the best team and the best manager in that competition. In football as Bill Shankley used to say - you are only as good as your last match.
So - the way forward for England eh? Well it isn't to pick a team for the WC finals. First just pick a manager who knows how to win games and then pick a team to win particular games. Set up a playing system based around your strengths and disguising your weaknesses (like Wales has done) pick players who can be trained in it, play to it, trust in it and will not deviate from it in moments of stress. Be prepared to grind out boring results and upset the TV pundits by not playing expansive Brazilian football. Players don't have to be the quickest or the most skilful, just the most reliable and mentally tough. That leaves out a lot of the current squad.
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Post by Miranda on Jul 2, 2016 11:14:18 GMT
ERmmm... not sure where that's come from cos it's certainly not how I think. I want them to play like they give a crap. I'm not expecting them to be Brasil but considering what they get paid and how they play in the Prem, I expect to see at least a little skill.
I think you're talking about the pundits, not the fans. I don't know anyone who expected England to win this Euros.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2016 11:52:45 GMT
ERmmm... not sure where that's come from cos it's certainly not how I think. I want them to play like they give a crap. I'm not expecting them to be Brasil but considering what they get paid and how they play in the Prem, I expect to see at least a little skill. I think you're talking about the pundits, not the fans. I don't know anyone who expected England to win this Euros. It is pundits but it is also fans. People don't accept in England that in a tournament like this one or the WC it is better to be boring and win it than to play well and not win it. The Italians figured this out a long time ago. The Germans go back to it when their Teutonic cavalry charges fail to bring results. Even Spain has been unendingly tedious to watch in recent competitions. We won in 1966 by doing it. Let's get back to winning and then worry about entertaining the neutrals. |
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Post by Miranda on Jul 2, 2016 11:55:47 GMT
Hmmm.... ok. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I don't see the point of tedious football. And the games in 66 certainly weren't tedious. And Brasil don't hold 5 World Cups by being tedious.
I think maybe we have a different definition of tedious football.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2016 12:05:58 GMT
Perhaps we should ask Chris Coleman if he fancies the job! <Smiley with hand over laughing gob>
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2016 12:53:11 GMT
Hmmm.... ok. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I don't see the point of tedious football. And the games in 66 certainly weren't tedious. And Brasil don't hold 5 World Cups by being tedious. I think maybe we have a different definition of tedious football. Until the quarter finals in 1966 the England team was not fancied to do anything. It was booed off after the Uruguay game and the quality of football was not brilliant. The Argentina game too was a poor match though it was of course exciting as a game for us. The best quality game was the semi-final against Portugal when England really did play well. Brazil has this reputation for flair and flamboyance but the truth is also that Brazilian sides have been the hardest working and disciplined sides in the competitions they won as well as having some outstanding individuals. They got whopped in the last WC because they forgot the basics. I don't see Brazil as tedious but I do think Spain's tip-tapping about gets on my wick. If I was still playing I'd want to get out there and flatten one or two!  |
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