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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 22:05:54 GMT
To complement the 'Recommend a Film' thread, one for films to avoid.
I'll start with one which hovers on the 'so bad it's good' line. A day off today, so I did some chores whilst having the TV on in the background. Somehow I found myself watching Age of Dinosaurs, in which genetically engineered dinosaurs escape and run rampant in Los Angeles. It's a blatant rip-off of the Jurassic Park franchise, including 'aging head of a major corporation recreates dinosaurs from ancient DNA to entertain but they escape', our heroes being chased in a car by a Not-A-T-Rex-Honest-Guv-Osaurus, and the teenage heroine trying to hide in a tiny cabinet to escape from the ersatz Velociraptors. Badly written and acted, with some hilariously bad special effects. I also learned that dinosaurs are practically immune to assault rifles and grenades, but can be killed by hitting them with a plank of wood.
On a more serious note, The Passion of the Christ. As a Christian I felt I ought to watch it, but was distinctly unimpressed; forget the controversies over excessive gore, historical and theological inaccuracies and alleged anti-semitism. The biggest 'sin' from a movie point of view is that it is, surprisingly, really boring!
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Post by Miranda on Jun 15, 2017 8:46:20 GMT
That dinosaur film sounds great fun!
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Post by beverley61 on Jun 23, 2017 12:05:32 GMT
Mostly anything with Danny Kaye in it..................so hated having to watch this stuff when I was a kid!
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Post by Miranda on Jun 27, 2017 19:17:09 GMT
I'm watching Jurassic World.
If you've seen Jurassic Park, don't bother with this. It's pretty much the same film
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Post by cali4ster on Jul 3, 2017 9:31:35 GMT
Recently saw Tom Cruise's "The Mummy". Boy, that was shit. They tried to make it like a superhero origins type story, and failed. Great premise, promising first third - if a little cheesy - but after the plane crash even Tom Cruise had the look of someone that wished the M.I. films came around more frequently. Set up for a sequel, too, but I don't see it happening.
Russell Crowe...leave off the pies, man.
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Post by pandaeyes on Nov 12, 2019 12:00:27 GMT
Mostly anything with Danny Kaye in it..................so hated having to watch this stuff when I was a kid! What was entertaining in the 40s and 50s doesn't look good in the 21st Century, and these sorts of films don't age well. Same with Abbot and Costello, possibly dare I say, even the Marx Brothers.
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Post by yankee on Nov 12, 2019 15:42:48 GMT
Abbott and Costello I never cared for and I particularly disliked their "Meet" films with the classic Universal Films monsters (Dracula, Frankenstein, wolfman)
I found A&C distasteful insult humor with very little entertainment appeal beyond some lovely actresses but few laughs.
The Marx Brothers and Three Stooges however both hold up well because their humor was social and political satire. Both against the nouveau riche high society and fascism (the Marx brothers and Stooges were all Jews and from low income backgrounds)
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Post by captainmouse on Nov 12, 2019 16:20:30 GMT
Mostly anything with Danny Kaye in it..................so hated having to watch this stuff when I was a kid! I am the exact opposite
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Post by beverley61 on Nov 13, 2019 13:09:17 GMT
Just went to see Midway last night...........don't bother unless you have an obsessional interest in the subject. I like a war film but this did feel like it was in real time and I had to shake myself awake a couple of times. Clearly they didn't want to miss anything out and the effort of fitting everything in became stultifying after the first hour. A serious edit might help or the thing they did in older films where one character had a conversation with another character at the bar/in the mess hall and we got the information via a conversation in one scene rather than 30 minutes of extra footage.
Very clever filming, CGI and effects but overlong.
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Post by yankee on Nov 13, 2019 13:59:00 GMT
When I saw the trailer for Midway it reminded me of Pearl Harbor. Brilliant arial footage but fictional melodrama and contrived romance shoe horned in. All style, no substance.
With Pearl Harbor the events themselves are plenty enough to make a good film. You dont need to insert a soap opera story with Abercrombie and Fitch models to keep viewers attention.
If you want to go that route than make the soap opera 90% of the story and Pearl Harbor just a final act, like with From Here to Eternity.
But dont try and balance two completely different genres in the same film.
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Post by goodhelenstar on Nov 13, 2019 15:12:00 GMT
I once flew from Paris to New York on an Air France flight. The in- flight film was Far and Away, dubbed into French. Awful.
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Post by yankee on Nov 13, 2019 15:34:54 GMT
Far and Away was a really lost opportunity.
The government land giveaway to expand the country westward is really a historical story worth telling.
Instead they made it into a story about Tom Cruise taking his shirt off and beating up men twice his size whilst Nicole Kidman pouted.
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Post by goodhelenstar on Nov 13, 2019 17:51:27 GMT
Indeed. I later saw a bit of it not dubbed, and his Irish accent was execrable.
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Post by beverley61 on Nov 14, 2019 8:33:56 GMT
When I saw the trailer for Midway it reminded me of Pearl Harbor. Brilliant arial footage but fictional melodrama and contrived romance shoe horned in. All style, no substance. With Pearl Harbor the events themselves are plenty enough to make a good film. You dont need to insert a soap opera story with Abercrombie and Fitch models to keep viewers attention. If you want to go that route than make the soap opera 90% of the story and Pearl Harbor just a final act, like with From Here to Eternity. But dont try and balance two completely different genres in the same film. I'm not saying there isn't substance and there is no love story per se, because the leads are all married men with children before Pearl Harbour, and the wives have a low key role, there's no affair or broken hearts, the funeral scenes are low key and perhaps not essential as the shot of all the bodies lined up is more than adequate to ensure people are aware of the numbers killed. It's more a case of them trying to tick every landmark and ensure everyone knows everything in the lead up to Midway. It's more that the substance becomes laborious and nobody takes the lead e.g. we are not looking at this from an intelligence point of view, a pilots point of view, the admiral's point of view etc. It suffers because they don't want to miss anyone out or any part of the story. Each story therefore could be a film on its own and it become laborious. It is much better the Pearl Harbour, much better. It is just about 40 minutes too long because they squeeze everything in and this is where older films that didn't want to overrun would have had a conversation scene explaining another aspect of the plot that wasn't filmed e.g. the bombing of Tokyo and the pilots landing in China. It is probably best viewed at home because then you can choose to go and get a drink and skim bits that are going on too long. The flights scenes are good but hard to watch because they are spinning all over - probably factual - but hard to focus on in the cinema. I had to shut my eyes at one point. What they don't really achieve is any tension - perhaps because we know the outcome. They do involve the Japanese including meetings and planning strategies etc, again not sure these scenes were needed and they do drag a bit. There is a scene where two rescued pilots are killed by the Japanese on a ship. I do not know if this is a truthful scene because as both men are killed I don't know how they would know this happened. I think it is there to show how cruel the Japanese were with prisoners and it does, but again if it is fictional it wasn't needed - there are plenty of films focusing on the treatment of prisoners by the Japanese etc. A serious edit would make it a much better film. However it does without doubt show you just how brave these pilots were, how much they risked and how dangerous it was to be a pilot on a carrier at that time. It undoubtedly highlights their bravery and skill.
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Post by yankee on Nov 14, 2019 12:56:39 GMT
In terms of Pearl Harbor "Tora! Tora! Tora!" is quite good.
Showing the lead up from both sides. The Japanese in the planning and the US forces in Hawaii and the mistakes, the overlooked intelligence that said an attack was imminent etc.
I've heard it was quite factual but could be a bit dry and dull for many viewers.
From your description Midway sounds similar and. lot longer as well. One to avoid for sure or as you say wait for it to turn up on TV.
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