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Feb 15, 2018 13:30:02 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 13:30:02 GMT
So Dan gets a satisfactory ending and it looks like Jon's life is stuffed. Yes I thought that too (apart from his murdered son of course) Dan gets away with thoroughly menacing behaviour plus ruining the surgeons life which is HARDLY justified. Typical of types with big chips on their shoulders being envious of hard working professionals IMHO. See it all the time.
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Trauma
Feb 15, 2018 16:50:39 GMT
Post by beverley61 on Feb 15, 2018 16:50:39 GMT
I thought the conclusion was ridiculous. At the very least you would have expected the outcome to be that the surgeon had been drinking and had made a catastrophic mistake, not a mistake that a person under any kind of pressure could make, you know the kind of pressure of a father breaking into the operating theatre, the kind of mistake that would be ruled as just that, unfortunate but a known incident that might occur. And then they both said they weren't pressing charges. He would have got off the beating with a fine, but Dan would have been in prison not looking at drawings his children had made at visiting time. He stalked, he took hostages and held them at knife point. Ludicrous. And I don't think the surgeon's wife would have stitched him up in a witness statement either, she would have confirmed that he had a few sips of wine not that he had had a few, she could have claimed that the pressure of being held hostage made her say that, and that might have been a better end. Dan in prison knowing that he had been right, but certainly deserving of prison for what he did.
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Feb 15, 2018 17:31:21 GMT
Post by marion on Feb 15, 2018 17:31:21 GMT
I actually expected Jon and his wife to take back what they had said to Dan and to claim they just made something up that he wanted to hear to stop him holding them at knife point. Then Dan would get done for about six different crimes whilst Jon got away with his mistake. I suppose then Dan would have pressed assault charges which could have succeeded as Jon went too far.
I see on digispy this has been very divisive but I thought it was OK. Nice to see John Simm and Adrian Lester.
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Feb 15, 2018 18:39:19 GMT
Post by geometryman on Feb 15, 2018 18:39:19 GMT
Victims just saying they "didn't want to press charges" shouldn't be - and as far as I know, isn't - enough to avoid prosecution for kicking the stuffing out of someone, or for threatening people with a knife in their home. Assuming they have enough evidence the police are likely to bring charges anyway, in the public interest; victims might have their wishes taken into account, but they don't otherwise have any say over whether any action is brought.
The production left quite a nasty taste in my mouth. Not only did Dan have a big chip on his shoulder, his determination to find someone to blame is typical I think of today's society, and we saw something similar recently in 'Kiri' on C4. I don't remember it being like that in this country when I was young - awful things sometimes happened, and lessons would be learnt and steps taken to prevent it in future if possible, but there would often be agreement that life would occasionally throw such things at you. Nowadays it seems no matter how unpredictable a disastrous event is, it's got to be someone's fault and somebody has to be found to take the blame.
Actingwise, I thought John Simm did well in his unsavoury and unhinged role, capably switching between being charming, bitter or vengeful.
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Feb 15, 2018 18:54:36 GMT
Post by marion on Feb 15, 2018 18:54:36 GMT
I too wondered about the truth of the pressing charges scenario they presented. I'm sure if I was kicking the stuffing out of someone I would be arrested and charged! But does it make a difference where this happens, in private or in public? Also, do different charges have different rules?
Well a very quick Google of two articles suggest it is not necessarily the victim's choice. If the CPS think the case merits prosecution and will succeed then it could well proceed. The article makes the point that the prosecution is Regina versus, not Victim versus so even if you don't want it to go ahead, it might. Also, if you say well I'm not going and not giving evidence, they might arrest you! {I did once see a rather alarming Law and Order where a woman said she would not press rape charges, nor testify and they charged her for something (I forget what).}
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Feb 15, 2018 22:16:24 GMT
Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 22:16:24 GMT
Another disappointing ending. It felt as though the writer just ran out of steam and couldn’t think how to finish it. I also thought that it wasn’t their decision to press charges , the police had the knife covered in Dan’s fingerprints so unless the whole family lied and said he didn’t threaten them I can’t see how he’d have got away with it. Why did John’s daughter turn against her father, did I miss something?
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Feb 15, 2018 22:29:55 GMT
Post by technicolour on Feb 15, 2018 22:29:55 GMT
The whole thing felt like a second draft waiting to be fleshed out and written up properly.
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Feb 15, 2018 22:52:20 GMT
Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 22:52:20 GMT
Yes another one that finished and our reaction was Oh is that it ?
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Feb 16, 2018 8:36:30 GMT
Post by vicky on Feb 16, 2018 8:36:30 GMT
My interpretation was that when Dan was still pretending to be the Oxfam collector he planted a seed of doubt in her mind by suggesting that she was only going to study medicine because it was what her father wanted. She did say at that point that maybe her father was somewhat controlling. I think we were meant to assume that Dan made her see Jon in a new light, making her go off to live her own life...but it wasn't really made clear. It was all a bit rushed at the end and, like others here I was cross that Dan got away with being an intimidating stalker who actually assaulted the daughter. Wrong, wrong, wrong.
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Feb 16, 2018 9:16:54 GMT
Post by goodhelenstar on Feb 16, 2018 9:16:54 GMT
Goodness, reading reviews here makes me glad I didn't watch this. I thought, given that it was the same writer as Dr Foster, that it would be OTT and unbelievable, and it sounds as if that's the case. Better off with Collateral!
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Feb 16, 2018 10:52:18 GMT
Post by vicky on Feb 16, 2018 10:52:18 GMT
Goodness, reading reviews here makes me glad I didn't watch this. I thought, given that it was the same writer as Dr Foster, that it would be OTT and unbelievable, and it sounds as if that's the case. Better off with Collateral!Collateral seems good....but we've only had one episode. I thought Trauma was quite good after the first one, in spite of a few sillinesses so I am reserving judgement on Collateral! One thing I will say for Trauma: I thought John Simms' acting was superb. As so often happens, the actors were let down by the writer.
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Feb 16, 2018 11:26:49 GMT
Post by goodhelenstar on Feb 16, 2018 11:26:49 GMT
Yes, that's true. I'm finding that Collateral is very wordy, to be expected from David Hare. Requiem is also very silly but I'm still watching as I was impressed with Lydia Wilson in Ripper Street and was looking for good things here. It's also fun spotting all the references to other films and TV programmes in the genre! They all have their good and bad points I suppose, but Trauma doesn't seem to have any good points apart from the acting, to be expected from this cast.
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