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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 14:51:28 GMT
Sorry, the amalgam bit doesn't work for me. The Clare Hollingsworth event is a significant one which should be portrayed as accurately as possible. It was Hollingsworth who got in touch with the British Embassy in Warsaw to tell them about what was going on at the Germany-Poland border, on September 1st, 1939. To convince the doubtful embassy official who dismissed her claim saying that it couldn't be true because the governments were still in negotiations, she stuck the phone out of the window so he could hear the tanks moving past. Convinced, he swiftly alerted authorities, who then had the unusual task of telling the Polish government that their country was about to be invaded. This is a highly significant moment that was trivialised in the story. The Untold Story Of The Woman Who Broke The News Of WW2If they wanted to bring in other female/American was correspondents, there are going to be plenty more opportunities.
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Post by geometryman on Sept 30, 2019 16:09:45 GMT
Yes, that's the one! Admittedly it did set the bar high.
You should see her in 'Harlots' (Amazon Prime + StarzPlay). Her character in World on Fire is positively angelic by comparison! On second thoughts, it's perhaps best you don't see her in Harlots - you might never recover.
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Post by sleepyp on Sept 30, 2019 17:56:41 GMT
Sorry, the amalgam bit doesn't work for me. The Clare Hollingsworth event is a significant one which should be portrayed as accurately as possible. It was Hollingsworth who got in touch with the British Embassy in Warsaw to tell them about what was going on at the Germany-Poland border, on September 1st, 1939. To convince the doubtful embassy official who dismissed her claim saying that it couldn't be true because the governments were still in negotiations, she stuck the phone out of the window so he could hear the tanks moving past. Convinced, he swiftly alerted authorities, who then had the unusual task of telling the Polish government that their country was about to be invaded. This is a highly significant moment that was trivialised in the story. The Untold Story Of The Woman Who Broke The News Of WW2If they wanted to bring in other female/American was correspondents, there are going to be plenty more opportunities. Well, you know that, and I know that.... and I'm guessing so do the people behind the programme, but yet again they have more of an eye on the US market than on the truth
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Post by marion on Sept 30, 2019 18:31:12 GMT
I could just about understand the change if this were an American show but it is pretty poor to change poor Clare in a British production. I've rather taken against it now.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 18:38:58 GMT
If she had only been "yet another journalist", I might have put up with it; but she wasn't, she was a historically significant figure who also helped 3000 Poles escape Katowice. If you desperately need an American connection, in North Africa, after 1943, she was covering Dwight Eisenhower for the Chicago Daily News.
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Post by sleepyp on Sept 30, 2019 18:48:03 GMT
I'm wondering if they wanted the scene where she saw the tanks on the border, but have some completely made up story coming in the next few episodes so couldn't have her as a real person?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 18:52:23 GMT
If they felt that they couldn't have her as a real person, then don't put in the bit at the beginning. The problem is that she was a real person, who did some real things that are even worthy of their own story.
Sorry, it really annoys me.
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Post by sleepyp on Sept 30, 2019 21:03:01 GMT
No need to be sorry, you're absolutely right, it really annoys me too.
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Post by Geoffers on Oct 1, 2019 8:57:09 GMT
Thought this was going to he good,but just didn't work for me.
Didn't get why we had to have subtitles,why not just speak in English, doesn't have to be in 'Allo Allo' accents ,just normal,we know who is who?
Not sure if l will bother with rest.
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Post by vicky on Oct 1, 2019 9:54:36 GMT
Yes, I agree about the sub-titles. I would guess getting on for a third of the programme was in Polish, maybe even more. The sub-titles were a distraction from the on-screen action.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2019 10:21:44 GMT
I actually didn't mind the subtitles. It was one of the few things that I didn't mind. I don't know what they are trying to achieve but, by the end of the first episode -- which I finally managed to get to the end of, this morning -- I was left feeling cheated.
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Post by beverley61 on Oct 1, 2019 12:22:15 GMT
Judgement reserved at the moment. What I have read about the series suggests it will be telling the history of WWII from the viewpoint of ordinary people caught up in and affected by it....as though that is a new concept whereas it has been done over and over again. In fact I do wonder if the story of WWII hasn't already been told too many times. Last night's episode certainly didn't strike me as having anything fresh or innovative about it. I'm by no means sure it will hold my attention for the coming however-many-weeks. I am sure there is much more to be told. They recently published the diary of a Polish girl that they say could be as good as Anne Frank. There is still very little about collaboration. I mean we have never had a story about collaborators who genuinely believed they were doing the correct thing. The recent discovery of all the reports made by ordinary citizens on their neighbours coming and going in Germany is revelatory. Of course the information should have been destroyed but instead a police employee appears to have very tidily boxed it all up and put it in a basement of the library. It shows the scope and depth to which ordinary people in Germany were involved and knew what was happening and how far they were prepared to go for the cause, for money, for jealousy. When the author tried to interview some of the people who were making regular reports (those still alive that had been young people at the time) he was almost driven from the town. The story that most people in Germany had no idea what was going on was completely blown out of the water by the revelations that even in a small provincial town people were more than happy to report and snooped on each other continuously and knew the consequences of what might happen to people when the 'disappeared'. Some of these stories are heart-rending and need to be told. There is not much written or filmed about the lack of resistance response in Holland in the early years and how the Dutch helped round up and incarcerate more people than any other in Europe, how they were reluctant to take them back and had to be forced to by other nations and even then put them back into camps for processing. Some of this was covered in the film Black Book but only from a singular point of view not a national one. We have all heard that Vichy France helped round up Jews and others for the camps but when did you hear about the fact that the Dutch were simply superb, efficient and really keen to be a success at this. You had virtually no chance of survival in Holland but other countries took a much more casual approach and even a determination to not let it happen e.g. Denmark. There's not much about Spain or Switzerland sending people back over the border into the hands of the Germans. Yes, you can find it if you search but there is not much that has been made into a film. Nothing much has ever been written about Italy and the civilian populations there. There's still lots to tell and lots that is still news.
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Post by beverley61 on Oct 1, 2019 12:28:08 GMT
As to the American character, of course you are all correct. She is in there with her American nephew to put some Americans in the war at the beginning and not several years later as was the fact. It's so they can be right there as main characters from the start, from the get go, being all American heroes and that's what brings the funding in. Mind you they have made the nephew gay to give it a more modern twist. Not that I think a gay doctor would have been chatting men up in his surgery in 1939. Most gay doctors I knew were still firmly in the closet in 1993.
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Post by sleepyp on Oct 1, 2019 13:07:20 GMT
Judgement reserved at the moment. What I have read about the series suggests it will be telling the history of WWII from the viewpoint of ordinary people caught up in and affected by it....as though that is a new concept whereas it has been done over and over again. In fact I do wonder if the story of WWII hasn't already been told too many times. Last night's episode certainly didn't strike me as having anything fresh or innovative about it. I'm by no means sure it will hold my attention for the coming however-many-weeks. I am sure there is much more to be told. They recently published the diary of a Polish girl that they say could be as good as Anne Frank. There is still very little about collaboration. I mean we have never had a story about collaborators who genuinely believed they were doing the correct thing. The recent discovery of all the reports made by ordinary citizens on their neighbours coming and going in Germany is revelatory. Of course the information should have been destroyed but instead a police employee appears to have very tidily boxed it all up and put it in a basement of the library. It shows the scope and depth to which ordinary people in Germany were involved and knew what was happening and how far they were prepared to go for the cause, for money, for jealousy. When the author tried to interview some of the people who were making regular reports (those still alive that had been young people at the time) he was almost driven from the town. The story that most people in Germany had no idea what was going on was completely blown out of the water by the revelations that even in a small provincial town people were more than happy to report and snooped on each other continuously and knew the consequences of what might happen to people when the 'disappeared'. Some of these stories are heart-rending and need to be told. There is not much written or filmed about the lack of resistance response in Holland in the early years and how the Dutch helped round up and incarcerate more people than any other in Europe, how they were reluctant to take them back and had to be forced to by other nations and even then put them back into camps for processing. Some of this was covered in the film Black Book but only from a singular point of view not a national one. We have all heard that Vichy France helped round up Jews and others for the camps but when did you hear about the fact that the Dutch were simply superb, efficient and really keen to be a success at this. You had virtually no chance of survival in Holland but other countries took a much more casual approach and even a determination to not let it happen e.g. Denmark. There's not much about Spain or Switzerland sending people back over the border into the hands of the Germans. Yes, you can find it if you search but there is not much that has been made into a film. Nothing much has ever been written about Italy and the civilian populations there. There's still lots to tell and lots that is still news. I think young people in many countries are wanting to look into what really happened, I believe that there is currently a greater focus in Italy on research into the 1930s and 40s
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2019 15:48:58 GMT
I watched thisand don't know if I am bothered about seeing the rest of it.Something seemed to be wrong somewhere,can't put my finger on what though.
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