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Post by Geoffers on Feb 8, 2020 7:08:35 GMT
profboobooThat is just very blinkered. Am not a programme maker, but you make it sound so dead easy,but if you think about it, it is probably very difficult. Script gets written,so many words probably to a fixed menu,but then you have scenes without dialogue,just action,this is not a play after all. Then it gets filmed,at that point you have a length, then it gets edited down to the required length, let's say if on commercial tv ,guess 50 minutes,that allows for commercial breaks in an hour time slot. So then you have commercial space to sell, not all ads are the same length,so how do you slot them in. Then you have to schedule it,allowing for all the factors Now the news has to start at 10,followed by regional news,that all has to end at the same time to rejoin the national channel. So it must be virtually impossible to get it all down to the precise seconds you want it to be,do a bit of flexibility has to be written in,it cant end late because of the news so something has to give. It is all very clever,far more than the average viewer could ever grasp, why would they want to? BBC2 is is a bit easier,no commercial breaks,no fixed news bulletins. A film channel is different, a film length is flexible, so it is just slotted in,but even that is not as straight forward as you might think. That is how l would look at it all anyway.
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Post by profbooboo on Feb 8, 2020 13:30:56 GMT
I don't think it is that difficult. An hour doesn't have 58mins some weeks and 60mins another. It's the same length of time, and these are professionals who's job it is to edit and schedule etc, to those time slots. As I said, if you're giving Top Gear an 8-9pm time slot, the programme can't be 1hr2mins45secs as it was the other week, it just doesn't go. You either need to extend the time slot, which nowadays they're reluctant to do because they want everything to start on the hour, so they have as much chance of retaining an audience, (if a show finishes at 9:10pm on BBC2 and BBC1s show starts at 9pm, you're more likely to lose the BBC2 audience) or edit more minutes out of the programme., they do it with Have I Got New For You, and show the repeat as the longer version.
The script writers knows in advance the time slot they're writing for, which is usually 57mins on BBC /44-45mins terrestrial, the scenes without dialogue are still written with time in mind. If they write, 'Tony walked up a long winding staircase', that'll be timed within the script. And even if the scriptwriter goes over the time, or filming is longer than written, the editor does their job and keeps it within time. I read an article (might have been Mark Gatiss, not sure) where someone said they like being given an hour (57mins), because they have to work harder to keep within that time scale, someone else said they felt restricted so works at Netflix where one episode might be, 55mins and another could be 1hr 10mins, but they're not obligated to stay within an certain time slot because the shows are streamed. When Ripper Street was show on Amazon and then BBC, it must have been edited, because one episode I watched was a fair few minutes over the hour. So BBC (and ITV) can do it. Besides, the scripts and the filming isn't really the issue, Grantchester was approx. 45mins45secs last night, they started it early when there was no need to.
But all this is regarding scripted shows. The BBC can't start live shows on time either. A few times I've flicked though the channels and The One Show has started at 6:58pm. Just show a couple of trailers until 7pm.
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Post by profbooboo on Feb 8, 2020 13:38:56 GMT
Does your recorder have an "auto" setting, so it's driven by the transmitted programme start signal? Mine allows programmes to start up to 15 minutes early and up to 30 minutes late (I think) - this is freesat, don't know whether freeview would be different. I haven't watched last night's Grantchester yet, but I've now checked my recording and it's fine. My old Hitachi recorder did, you could set the timer where it would highlight the show and then if the show was delayed by 5mins it would account for that. My new one, you highlight the show, and if the show is 9pm-10pm it'll show 9-10pm and you press one button to record that. You can override the times, and change 21:00 to 20:59 to give you that extra time, but obviously if you're recording another show on another channel I'd only be able to record that until 20:58. And as no channel seems to be able to start or finish as the said times, it causes me to miss ends of some shows, like Cold Feet 2weeks ago and Top Gear, or starts of shows, like Grantchester last night. As I said Talking Pictures manage it and they have to account for advert breaks.
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Post by pearl06 on Feb 14, 2020 22:26:54 GMT
This episode was a little odd but a satisfactory ending.
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Post by beverley61 on Feb 15, 2020 14:55:46 GMT
It was a very odd plot. I understood why they were pretending to be a convent. However, it wouldn't be that good a cover, if nobody from the RC Church was seen to have anything to do with it. Also, perhaps I missed it, but where did the ex-nun get the money to own such a large house. How did they have an income?
Still nice to see them altogether at the end.
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Post by Dame Bouncy Castle on Oct 3, 2020 17:10:23 GMT
Renewed for a sixth series.
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Post by geometryman on Oct 4, 2020 7:42:54 GMT
I'll watch series 6, but I haven't enjoyed it as much since James Norton left.
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Post by Dame Bouncy Castle on Aug 19, 2021 14:38:07 GMT
The sixth series of Grantchester will premiere on ITV on Friday September 3rd at 9pm.
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Post by linseed on Sept 3, 2021 13:26:11 GMT
Grantchester starts tonight! 9pm
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Post by beverley61 on Sept 3, 2021 15:07:03 GMT
I would really like to see a detective series where the detectives had relatively happy lives. I don't mind if they're single or married but I do hope everything doesn't get mired in their personal tribulations.
Poirot and Marple hardly ever forced this upon us.
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Post by beverley61 on Sept 3, 2021 21:31:54 GMT
So it's Leonard in the frame again.
Honestly, thousands of gay men in those days never got close to a scandal. What on earth was the 'friend' from the village doing on holiday with them all.
It would have been more realistic for Leonard to stay at home to decorate the kitchen, because that is exactly the kind of normal scenario two gay men would engineer.
Nobody home, newspapers taped to the windows, decorate in the day time, Bob's your uncle.
I know this kind of thing because lots of older gay men would come into the STI Clinic when I worked there. They wouldn't have done something as stupid as stay overnight in a 'Butlins' cabin in a family holiday park where anyone could see them coming and going. They'd have booked into a hotel separately and never stayed overnight in the room together in case a maid saw them or came into the room. Or They'd have gone on a fishing/ camping trip. Football away games were popular, especially at the other end of the country where B&Bs were happy for people to share rooms and often advertised cheaper shared rooms.
Besides in those days people weren't looking for or expecting to see gay people and other than show biz performers most gay men looked and acted like any other men. Often more so, they blended. It was quite easy to call round to see how Ray was getting on with his model of the Golden Hind in the shed! His wife would probably make you a cup of tea and give you some biscuits to take with you!!!
This was a time when you'd be asked to stop kissing in a pub, or bus or something. When cinema usherettes shone their torches on couples.
Leonard would be discreetly maintaining his relationship in a way that nobody questioned it as per the scenarios above.
It does my head in that they keep trying to put 21st century attitudes into programmes. Heavens above people genuinely thought Liberace and Danny La Rue were straight.
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Post by pearl06 on Sept 4, 2021 5:27:02 GMT
You have quite a point there. What I don't understand is why Lionel was in a twin chalet with Will and then caught 'in flagrante' with Daniel in a different chalet! Apart from that I enjoyed the programme. Tom Britney is worth watching!
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Post by beverley61 on Sept 4, 2021 8:51:36 GMT
I suppose in a nutshell I mean many gay couples just got on with their lives. They even lived together, it wasn't unheard of for two batchelors to live together.
There were two old guys in a bungalow at the bottom of my grans Street. They'd met in the Spanish Civil War and the only scandal in the village was that they were communists and put a red flag up once a year to commemorate the revolution.
And I get a bit fed up of gay people always being the sad trope, the murderer or the victim instead of just being.
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Post by marion on Sept 4, 2021 18:37:26 GMT
I thought it was awful! Nothing like as good as previous episodes, although maybe I was having some kind of traumatic flashback to ghastly childhood holidays, 😂. Why on earth would all these disparate people go on holiday together? For a drink, yes, or a meal in a local restaurant, but to a holiday camp? It was a mad contrivance imho and yes, I agree that the gay curate would never have invited his lover to such a venue. If they went away together they would surely have gone incognito.
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Post by beverley61 on Sept 4, 2021 19:03:44 GMT
Yes, surely they'd have just waived everyone else off and run naked inside the vicarage for a few days. And what on earth would a single young vicar be doing there, with the crotchet housekeeper.
It was awful.
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