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Post by vicky on Aug 29, 2023 12:34:04 GMT
Anyone else watching this? It is an important subject - the abuse suffered by women in Ireland in the mother and baby homes - but oh, BBC could you not broadcast a drama that tells a linear narrative without constant flashbacks and strange angle camera shots mostly in virtual darkness? Put that all together and it does make hard work of understanding what's going on for the viewer. Things are a bit clearer to me after the second episode last night but I so nearly didn't bother after the first one where I could only see bits of what was going on due to the aforementioned darkness
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Post by kakewalk on Aug 29, 2023 14:24:21 GMT
I’m enjoying it. I think it’s supposed to be a bit spooky as well as a thriller. The darkness doesn’t bother me though. But I can see why it might.
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Post by linseed on Aug 29, 2023 15:50:25 GMT
I did watch it, I won’t say “enjoying” as the subject matter is harrowing, but certainly I will continue. It’s dark in all senses of the word. Why does she have a red light on in the little room where she puts the picture of Jesus and finds the body? Strange but absolutely compelling
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Post by goodhelenstar on Aug 30, 2023 19:32:30 GMT
I'm watching, though like you I can't say I'm enjoying it. There's quite a bit of comment in online reviews about the choice of the main character being played by an actress who isn't Irish when there are quite prolific Irish actresses – Charlene McKenna, Charlie Murphy – who could have done this. That's not to undermine Ruth Wilson who is as good as she always is, but for those who know their Irish accents I can appreciate that it grates, just as it does for me when people imitate a Scottish accent poorly.
It's a curious mix of genres and I wonder why the writer did that. I knew the story of the Magdalene laundries from Philomena and there is also The Magdalene Sisters, which I haven't seen but which is very well regarded. So I'm a little surprised that the writer stated that he didn't know the history. Still, it has my attention and I will watch to the conclusion. I assume, since we are clearly being pointed to Lorna having murdered Aiofe, that she didn't! Do we think that Aiofe killed the priest?
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Post by marion on Aug 31, 2023 7:25:57 GMT
I started to watch this and thought, not for me. But by the end of episode 1 I was able to appreciate it, if not warm to it. Ruth Wilson is quite an unsympathetic character imho, which is surprising for a story on this topic. I also find it hard to believe the writer didn’t know the history. But it is quite involving, although I must say the last thing that would occur to me when faced with a corpse would be to cement it into my wall! Mind you if I tried to do that the owner of the flat next door would get quite a shock!!!!
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Post by vicky on Aug 31, 2023 12:59:18 GMT
"Mind you if I tried to do that the owner of the flat next door would get quite a shock!!!!"
Lol! Maybe that's how the body arrived in Lorna's house in the first place! 🤔
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Post by beverley61 on Aug 31, 2023 18:00:26 GMT
There's lots to the history that the other films don't show.
For instance it wasn't just young women in the laundries and work-convents. Many older women were sent there too for behaviour that fell below the standard of the Catholic Dictatorship that was in Ireland. Or because they were widows and the husband's family wanted the farm, land or house. It was relatively easy to say a woman bereaved had gone a bit mad or behaved in someway wrong.
The other films mention women giving birth in incompassionate awful conditions but it's rare for them to detail that women were denied pain relief, that tears weren't stitched after delivery, that Caesarean's weren't called for and women weren't transferred to hospitals. Nobody really knows how many were seriously damaged and not one nun has been put on trial. A doctor would have been and should be if they were involved.
We have this notion nowadays that someone guilty of a crime in the past can write an official letter saying sorry on behalf of hundreds of perpetrators, rather than individually charging someone. And that's OK. It's not, these were crimes against humanity. If they had been castrating the men who were the fathers it would have stopped within six months!
They were still doing this up to the 1980s. It's not the dim distant past.
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Post by LoopyLobes on Sept 7, 2023 12:46:15 GMT
Started watching this last night. Will carry on.
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Post by vicky on Sept 8, 2023 7:27:24 GMT
Started watching this last night. Will carry on. It is very compelling. I wasn't keen to begin with but stuck with it because of the subject matter. After 3 episodes I'm glad I did. |
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Post by marion on Sept 8, 2023 8:47:33 GMT
I find everything about it and almost everyone in it intensely irritating, but it is very compelling.
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Post by vicky on Sept 8, 2023 13:37:45 GMT
I find everything about it and almost everyone in it intensely irritating, but it is very compelling. That exactly sums up my feelings about it too! |
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Post by goodhelenstar on Sept 8, 2023 16:21:06 GMT
I agree! I may need to rewatch the end of last week as I can't remember it and may have nodded off.
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Post by vicky on Sept 9, 2023 15:09:43 GMT
My biggest complaint about it is the darkness of so many scenes, indoors and out.I suppose they thought it made for more atmosphere but I can hardly see what's going on at times.
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Post by marion on Sept 13, 2023 8:58:50 GMT
So are they renaming it, now the woman ISN’T in the wall? Where is she then? What’s going on?😂
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Post by kakewalk on Sept 13, 2023 10:19:53 GMT
😆 Well, I know, but it’s all too intriguing. Still two more episodes to go.
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Anymore to come?
