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Post by Geoffers on Dec 30, 2016 15:52:17 GMT
Yikes,Guy Gibson has called his dog. .....
No PC at ITV.
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Post by HoraceCoker on Dec 30, 2016 17:36:26 GMT
....dont think the Beeb would ever show it now......it was used again as a codeword during the actual operation....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2016 21:30:21 GMT
I'm glad they didn't cut it out, the dog was called what he was called, different times as they say.
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Post by Miranda on Dec 30, 2016 21:49:33 GMT
So you would be alright with using the C-bomb in a film? Cos that's how offensive the N-word is to a lot of people. It was then as well.
Different times is no excuse for being offensive.
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Post by Geoffers on Dec 30, 2016 22:31:57 GMT
It may have been offensive then, who can say .
But it was in common usage as regards names of animals,this is 1940s after all,before Black and White Minstrel show 50/60s,and Robinsons marmalade.
And before any immigrants into the UK.
I doubt anybody thought much about at the time.
It didn't jar, in the film,l just thought it wouldn't happen now really,and l think in the past when shown,it has been dubbed out,but not sure about that .
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Post by Miranda on Dec 30, 2016 22:44:58 GMT
It was offensive to black people then. It's offensive to them now. There is no reason for it to be left in the film these days.
And it may not jar with you but, trust me, it jars with black people.
And there's another reason why I rarely watch ITV.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2016 9:39:38 GMT
You cant re write history tp conform to modern attitudes it was and still is a good film and a but childish to make a fuss of a dogs name it would be more sense to look at the history of the raid and discuss the merits of usefullness of the raid and was it worth the lives lost on both sides. It was a great propaganda victory but did not achieve the strategic result of disabling the war production in the Rhur.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2016 9:43:52 GMT
So you would be alright with using the C-bomb in a film? Cos that's how offensive the N-word is to a lot of people. It was then as well. Different times is no excuse for being offensive. Havent't you seen Atonment? C bomb and all, its all a matter of context.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2016 10:29:59 GMT
It wasn't just a dog's name, it was the codeword which confirmed the breaching of the Moehne Dam, and was the order for surviving aircraft to proceed to the Eder and Sorpe Dams.
There is a generation still around who grew up with the F-word being really offensive. Some of us don't particularly like to see it in common currency in modern-day films and TV - but it is.
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Post by Miranda on Dec 31, 2016 10:49:07 GMT
Still doesn't give anyone the right to use the N-word in this day and age. In any circumstances.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2016 11:14:26 GMT
Yes, it is a matter of context. However, a word that originated in the Latin word for black, through the various romance languages, especially Spanish, came to be used as a term of abuse, ridicule and extreme prejudice.
There is plenty of evidence that even its apparent casual use in the 19th and 20th centuries has racist origins. Products that had black or dark brown colouring, often showed stereotypical images of black people, representing them as comical or inferior primitives. That these terms came through frequent use to be 'normalised' (and used independently of this racist origin) is neither here nor there; in most cases it was a racist term, and we have to accept that it may cause serious offence to those at whom it was aimed.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2016 11:31:11 GMT
The N word is now trendy among Afro Americans twhen talking about each otther.. I can alsoremember my wife being shocked about 40 years agp when shoping with her mother whoasked for some N. brown wool . Sensitivities do change when i was learnin Spanish years ago cafe negro was black coffee but now I would use Americano. Getting back to the Dambusters film I think it was remade a few years ago and there was controversy about renaming the dog: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2002027/Dambusters-dog-renamed-Digger-remake-iconic-film.html
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2016 11:40:19 GMT
Possibly a regional thing, jandiaman, but I've lived in Spain since '82, and never came across café negro. It is, and always has been, café solo (alone, without milk). Americano is a café solo diluted with hot water and served in a full sized cup or glass rather than a tiny one for strong black coffee.
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Post by Geoffers on Dec 31, 2016 11:46:43 GMT
The remake, to date, did not get made.
There is lot of info on wiki,
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Post by Miranda on Dec 31, 2016 12:09:02 GMT
Mod note: I'm removing the article as I don't want that word found on this board in a search. If anyone wants to read that article it should be easy enough to find on Wiki.
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