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Post by geometryman on Jan 12, 2020 22:46:08 GMT
I admit to considerable confusion over who was who, and had to re-watch most of it. It seems de rigueur at the moment for dramas to include a wealth of flashbacks. I'm interested enough to keep on with it though. It was (unless I've got it wrong). He brought Kate out (not alive as it turned out) then went back for the children, was overcome by smoke and had to be rescued himself. Are they married though? Radio Times feature says so, and so does one of the reviews in goodhelenstar's links, but I notice they have different surnames in the cast list and she doesn't wear a wedding ring. It was the officer that rescued DT and Kate. They were unconcious in different rooms. He 'fireman-lifted' them both down the ladder. Kate was already dead but DT wasn't. The policeman couldn't get into the girl's room cos of the padlock. Ah, OK. I see now my problem was that in dim, smoke filled scenes I mistook the mask he was holding up to his face for David Tennant's beard!
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Post by Miranda on Jan 12, 2020 23:27:03 GMT
I know what you mean! It wasn't easy to tell.
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Post by goodhelenstar on Jan 13, 2020 10:32:19 GMT
Watched it again last night. Definitely Steve climbing the ladder and definitely not Tom in the mortuary! There is quite a lot going on in the ceilidh scene that I didn't pick up on first viewing – Kate had a lengthy conversation with Simon (who got drunk at the dinner later and blamed Tom for the murders) which seemed very affectionate and which Tom, who was dancing at the time, noticed. Kate and Jess were both grumbling about their lives, Jess about the difficulties of IVF and Kate with her life generally.
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Post by marion on Jan 13, 2020 11:37:50 GMT
Were all three girls padlocked into that bedroom? Whilst it seems to point (obviously) to abuse, the room appeared quite white and undamaged to me. So was it supposed to save them, in a somewhat bonkers plan?
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Post by Miranda on Jan 13, 2020 11:47:49 GMT
It is possible, yes. A closed door can save a room from a lot of damage. I know someone who had a house fire and only one bedroom door was closed. It belonged to the teenage daughter who never liked anyone in there. She was the only one who could salvage any of her possessions.
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Post by goodhelenstar on Jan 13, 2020 11:47:51 GMT
I don't know. I can't think of any good reasons to lock a child, or indeed anyone, in a bedroom. The room did appear undamaged, which is a bit odd as the fire did a lot of damage. Perhaps the door remaining closed did save them, but even in an old house with hardwood doors you wouldn't think they could withstand a conflagration like that. I assume they died from smoke inhalation so the smoke at least did get through. Unless they were already dead from whatever they were injected with! Clearly much to be explained!
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Post by vicky on Jan 18, 2020 8:47:22 GMT
I'm guessing I'm in the minority but I didn't like it. Too much BGM that was too loud, too much back-and-forth, too many weird camera angles, not for me. Based on episode one I thought I would enjoy this. Based on episode two I've changed my mind and think Miranda got it right. There was so much chopping and changing, back and forth in time and place, that I got completely lost as to what was happening and when. In fact, I fell asleep during the last segment and woke up to a different programme.....and then realised that it didn't matter as I really don't care what happened. I won't bother with any more of it. It's a shame because it is potentially a good, gripping story with a strong cast but it has been edited disastrously imo.
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Post by linseed on Jan 18, 2020 10:30:22 GMT
I’m still loving it! Absolutely gripping and can’t wait until next week. It takes all sorts! Admittedly I love DT in practically everything he’s done.
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Post by goodhelenstar on Jan 18, 2020 10:31:54 GMT
The time factor is confusing. Dylan wandering down the road in his underpants was certainly an eye-catching opener, but it transpired it was the morning after the fire and wasn't followed up until later in the episode. The villagers seem very quick to condemn Kate – no one at all beyond immediate family at her funeral, and the mysterious woman in the back row who turned out to be an estranged friend from college days. Then the village out in force for the funeral of the girls, which appeared to be on the same day as they were all wearing the same clothes. Wouldn't they have had one funeral for all of them? The bodies would have been held until the PMs were carried out, which as we saw in the first episode had already happened, and then released together, I'd have thought, unless there were further questions in which case there couldn't be a funeral. I don't suppose it matters in the grand scheme of things but it struck me as odd. If Tom is not guilty of the murders then he does seem to be guilty of something as he didn't appear perturbed or even surprised when the police were approaching at the end, presumably to arrest him. I do think the series is playing cleverly with our emotions and prejudices, leading us to suspect Kate initially and now Tom, until that twist at the end which I imagine means the spotlight will fall on someone else next week. But I agree the jumping back and forth in time is not helpful. Good review in the DT: www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/2020/01/17/deadwater-fell-episode-2-recap-kate-tom-everyones-looking-guilty/
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Post by marion on Jan 18, 2020 16:26:55 GMT
I don't think Tom would have wanted Kate to be remembered at the same funeral as the girls, and they were buried weren't they and she was cremated, so she cannot RIP with them. He certainly seems sinister, definitely a coercive controller I reckon, but why would that Dylan lie about him being the parent who picked up Emily?
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Post by goodhelenstar on Jan 18, 2020 18:06:11 GMT
Why not, though? If Tom is innocent and believes Kate killed them then wouldn't he assume she was ill? We've seen him (or been led to see him in this show where nothing is as it seems) coercively controlling, and as we know sadly the controller doesn't see himself or herself in that light, so if that is what he's been doing then he wouldn't think that he might have led her to do this. If he himself is the killer then it would send a wrong message. It just struck me as odd, and a bit rushed too as I don't think there has been an inquest yet – though we may find out next week that that happened before the funerals, in this topsy turvy presentation!
No idea why Dylan would lie. He is the son of the other doctor, Kate's GP, I think, isn't he? The local ne-er-do-well, certainly. Even an idyllic village like this has to have one.
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Post by marion on Jan 18, 2020 19:34:48 GMT
I think you are being very kind, Helen. I reckon IRL the family wouldn't want their murderer to be buried with the girls. I imagine someone like Tom's mother would be quite vocal about it!
I had no idea who Dylan was! Well I knew he was the gobby one but not his family. At least I spotted Jane from EE this week.
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Post by geometryman on Jan 18, 2020 21:39:02 GMT
Grrr! I just hate it when things on mobile phones or computers are too small, or don't last long enough, for you to see what on earth they say. Twice in this episode I had to rewind and freeze-frame something - firstly when Steve, at the children's funeral, received a text (which lasted all of 1 second, not even enough time to focus on it, let alone read it) and secondly when Jess on her computer was contacting Sasha (also very brief, and with small writing).
A couple of observations (no doubt in due course to be the subject of derision):
- I'm not sure the very end was a contradiction of Dylan's testimony - it could be something that happened before or after what he said he saw; - padlocks can also be used to keep people out as well as in.
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Post by goodhelenstar on Jan 19, 2020 10:20:04 GMT
GM, the text Steve received was from the female detective advising him of a forensics meeting (as the detective was at the funeral she could perhaps just have spoken to him!). Jess was responding to a message from Sasha on the memorial fundraising page which said something like 'I hope you can now find peace.' Jess was asking if she could contact her, which led to the meeting in the pub.
Regarding Dylan, he looked very troubled after giving his statement. I do think that's because he knew he'd lied and we then saw in flashback what he actually saw, but you're right, it could be a different night in this to-and-fro narrative. What was clear though was that Emily didn't want to do back with Kate – she was struggling and protesting. If Kate was chasing her, what caused her to flee? And was it Kate she was running away from? Emily didn't look as if she was sleepwalking – there wasn't a moment when she suddenly came to awareness, but I don't know enough about sleepwalkers to be sure.
Padlocks – yes, but if you want to keep someone out then the padlock is on your side. It was on the outside of the door so I'm not sure how the children could have put it there.
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Post by sootycat on Jan 19, 2020 12:57:57 GMT
Grrr! I just hate it when things on mobile phones or computers are too small, or don't last long enough, for you to see what on earth they say. That is one major irritant isn't it
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