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Post by hoodylover on Jan 19, 2020 17:20:05 GMT
It was very confusing, but I'll stick with it, as there are only two more. David Tennant is very sinister in this. I don't know what to think. Steve was quite hypocritical, moaning about his ex having a new boyfriend when he's got a partner himself. I hope the ending/solution makes it worth trying to navigate through it.
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Post by geometryman on Jan 22, 2020 17:47:07 GMT
No, I was suggesting one adult installed the padlock to prevent another adult - who didn't have a key, and short of breaking the door down - getting at the children.
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Post by goodhelenstar on Jan 22, 2020 20:43:12 GMT
Oh, I see. Well, yes, that's right, but the other person would have noticed. Are you thinking that Kate was protecting the children from Tom, who then murdered them all as he couldn't get at the children? Blimey, that would be a horrible outcome!
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Post by geometryman on Jan 23, 2020 0:49:34 GMT
Yes. She was the one who bought the padlock I think? (caught doing that on CCTV?).
But another possibility I reckon is that she had decided to leave Tom, taking the kids with her - Tom found out, asked her to buy the padlock for some invented reason, then locked the children in to prevent her taking them. You pointed out that she was talking affectionately with Headteacher Simon at the Ceilidh in episode 1, which Tom noticed.
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Post by marion on Jan 23, 2020 15:27:34 GMT
Basing this solely on my viewing of programmes featuring husbands who deploy coercive control, could the padlock have been used to keep the children in so they could not come into the parents' bedroom and disturb their "private time".......
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Post by goodhelenstar on Jan 23, 2020 15:45:18 GMT
Also possible, though when found, Tom was fully clothed in the same ghastly mustard coloured sweater he'd been wearing earlier in the day, so presumably hadn't been to bed.
I think the forensic bods said the fire had started in the kitchen, didn't they? So do we think someone, mostly likely Tom, injected them all with something to keep them quiet, then started the fire in the kitchen? Or that Kate did it with the intention that they should all die? It's unlikely to have been a stranger. We know Kate was depressed; we don't know that about Tom though we do know from real life that there are often no public signals before someone suffering from depression does something extreme.
I'm wondering why we were shown Steve's son waking them up because he thought he'd heard a burglar, immediately before Jess got up and saw the fire. Was that just so that Steve and Jess would be woken, or was it one of them returning home? It must be significant somehow.
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Post by goodhelenstar on Jan 25, 2020 19:14:10 GMT
No comments? It's clear now that Tom is not on the side of the angels, but that doesn't make him a murderer even though his mother seems to think he is guilty. If anything I think the coercive control was a bit overdone – Tom didn't need to be physically abusive for the point to be made. I'm disappointed that they went down the route of Steve being involved in the investigation when he was a close personal friend of the family. Good to see the PTSD effects on Steve being shown, and also that Dylan's conscience finally got the better of him.
I imagine there are more revelations to come. I'll be disappointed if Tom turns out to be the murderer after all.
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Post by marion on Jan 25, 2020 20:25:26 GMT
I just caught up. I reckon Steve knew about Tom and Jess before she told him; I think Kate told him. Quite where that gets me I dont know. Tom's story began to unravel but I got the feeling he could have been set up. No idea how!
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Post by hoodylover on Jan 26, 2020 17:45:12 GMT
I think Tom, Steve and Kate are all unbalanced enough to have done it. Steve has displayed jealousy about his ex having a new partner, so if Kate told him about Tom and Jess, it might have pushed him over the edge, the motive being to frame Tom.
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Post by marion on Jan 26, 2020 18:00:25 GMT
The ST TV Review today said that the whodunnit element of this was more or less resolved! I thought to myself "Really?!" .
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Post by sootycat on Jan 26, 2020 19:44:41 GMT
The way they are making us think that it was Tom, makes me convinced it wasn’t,!
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Post by bethb63 on Jan 26, 2020 20:46:19 GMT
Nothing was resolved for me.
Tom seems to be lying about the circumstances - if he saw the children dead in their room, how did he get to the master bedroom? But I’m not convinced he killed them. Why did Dylan lie about who chased Emily - did Steve put him up to it?
I have my suspicions about Steve. I did wonder if Jess was pregnant when the car crashed.
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Post by goodhelenstar on Jan 27, 2020 10:17:19 GMT
I'm not convinced he killed them either, but tbh more because there's one episode to go than because I've worked anything out!
I think Steve did – Dylan looked upset after he'd given his statement, which I think was to Steve. Later, he told Steve he owed him one, when Steve was pulling him up with his pals and found the drug on him which he confiscated and subsequently took himself. Steve has been suspended for coercing Dylan and has led to Tom being released.
Steve has been foolish because he's allowed his personal relationships to cloud his judgement – which is of course why he shouldn't be involved in the investigation at all! I wish writers wouldn't do this. He could have been shown interfering from the sidelines without officially being involved. But I don't think he was involved in starting the original fire – could be wrong though! It could have been Steve that his son heard when he thought there was a burglar in the house, right at the start. I just don't think so – why would he want to murder Tom and Kate's children, even if he had it in for Tom and/or Kate?
That car crash was spectacular, yet no one seems to have been injured. Not a scratch on any of them. Was that done just to make visually stimulating TV, or is there more to come, I wonder? If Jess was pregnant, could she have miscarried? I'm not sure when the crash occurred relative to when we've seen her injecting herself and visiting the IVF clinic.
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Post by linseed on Jan 27, 2020 12:45:21 GMT
Yes I’m surprised anyone could walk away from that accident without a scratch. And they keep showing it, so there must be a significance. We will all find out this week!
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Post by geometryman on Jan 27, 2020 14:42:51 GMT
I also think there's more to come about the crash. At first it just looked like it was just because Kate was in a state and distracted by the kids, next we learnt she'd been drinking and was convicted of a drink-driving offence, and then Kate was saying she'd only had one glass and was blaming it on the pills Tom was making her take "for her depression".
I haven't been able to work out how long ago the crash happened. It was the birthday one of the girls wasn't it, and they were driving back from a visit to the beach. (One of the times we saw the crash, in episode 1 I think, crabs were dropping out of the upturned car and crawling across the road. At first I thought it was some surreal hallucinatory comment on the situation, but I think there was just a bucket of crabs in the car that they'd been collecting on the beach!)
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