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Post by goodhelenstar on May 1, 2020 22:04:36 GMT
Well! Clever misdirection with the body in the boot. But really, can't forensics tell the difference between being poisoned and being beaten to death with a pipe? Not sure what the painkillers were, but I'd be doubtful that they would kill him as quickly as that.
I found the timeline quite confusing, with the 'two weeks previously' and how that fitted in with Kian's death, though happily we saw Owen finding the blood in the caravan, which I guess is what led him to tampering with the brakes as well as Paul's increasingly dreadful behaviour as revealed tonight.
Wouldn't the body in the slurry pit start to smell, and seep through the concrete?
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Post by geometryman on May 2, 2020 8:05:47 GMT
I'd got this quite wrong - pretty unexpected ending (and rather unbelievable). Yes indeed. They should have realised pretty early on the "pipe" (as they're now calling it) wasn't connected to that death. I also found the time jumping particularly confusing this time. Maybe, but once the pit gets filled with its intended contents any smell will be well disguised
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Post by vicky on May 2, 2020 17:09:27 GMT
No more so than the slurry!
This was a good story with a good, unexpected twist at the end, totally ruined overall for me by the way it was told.
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Post by marion on May 2, 2020 19:15:07 GMT
I got very confused in the finale timeline, I have to say. What was pre or post the confirmation party! By the time Paul was finished with his abusing ways I had no time for him whatsoever so let's hope Fiona gets off. I was feeling sorry for him at one point, pah! Bloody Owen messing with the car, what a nuisance that boy was.
I was very surprised at the actual finale though and do not believe for one moment that Fiona could have got him in the car boot. Her right arm seemed to be almost without function by the end. The telling of it didn't ruin it for me but it certainly didn't help and the whole thing could have been a lot clearer. But despite that I found myself involved with the story.
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Post by goodhelenstar on May 2, 2020 19:50:48 GMT
I didn't much care for the chopping and changing with the timeline, but I also thought the story was way too melodramatic. Nipping out during a first-communion party to dispose of a body was ludicrous, and I agree Fiona could not have manhandled Paul. It's a pity as series 1 was a serous look at a difficult and controversial subject, sensitively told. This by comparison was soapy and not credible. I've read elsewhere that there are hopes for a third series, this time focusing on Michael. If they do that I hope they'll find a better story to tell.
For all that Paul was an alcoholic abusing so and so, which we didn't find out until the last episode, I thought the actor did a fine job. I really wanted him out of the way by the end!
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2020 22:35:31 GMT
A production committee effort that wasted a reasonable story, actors and place. It was so flawed.... background detail helps such things along. There were so many faults.... a minor and silly one to pick up on was taking children to a park to play frisbee when they have several hundred acres of land and their own football pitch. Then there was that magnificent stable with no one tending the horses - which were never exercised but then neither did they seem to need mucking out either. And as for allowing a bunch of young guys to have but never actually use a spacious outhouse workshop and on and on. then there was too much slipping about in time - look - characters must dress as Michael Portillo does in ghastly colours for post editing to help thicker viewers such as me to follow In this tale, dull, sad and droopy cardies were just not enough. It was a reasonable tale with the police suspecting the wife and forcing a confession by arresting her father how sad it was filled with faults. So another is envisaged...… go with care, please do. My nit picker's alert is on already.
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Post by marion on May 3, 2020 11:39:47 GMT
I couldn't understand what type of farm it was at all. There didn't seem to be enough horses in the stable to make it an equestrian place. There were only about three weren't there? Mr Injured Hip with a good bloodline so hopefully promising sperm and a couple of others which Paul frightened when he kicked the bucket, literally this time. Were they supposed to be livery horses? No one seemed to ride for pleasure let alone business. The slurry pit suggested pigs but I didn't see any of those. No one mentioned field work to suggest crops. Were Tom and Gillian so wealthy it was just a hobby farm?
It was impressive wasn't it that they could not only absent themselves for two hours but also do the physical work of burying a body in Ireland's least concealed slurry pit and yet they didn't seem to work up a sweat and no dirt got on their faces etc, just the bits covered by overalls and wellies.
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Post by geometryman on May 3, 2020 14:33:40 GMT
There were some sheep weren't there - one got caught on a wire fence and had to be put out of its misery. Hardly a vast flock though! You're right, the farm looked like a run-down one they'd been allowed to film on, not at all convincing as a working proposition. You'd think, filming in Ireland, they'd have found at least a bustling stables for location work.
I got the impression Gillian had wealth, not shared with Tom - in the bathtub scene she said 'I (not we) have a house in the south of France', which is where she wanted to run off to with Fiona and her kids (and where indeed she had gone at the end, when we saw Jim turning up with the kids for presumably a holiday since they didn't seem to have a lot of luggage). Perhaps she had put money into the farm just for the horses, leaving Tom to tinker not very successfully with other livestock.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2020 15:15:18 GMT
And if they make a sequel will there be yet another murder? Those poor children have enough to live down. Grandad killed grandma, mum killed dad and probably Paul will let on that dad had killed someone by accident before he tried to hang himself because mummy loved the bosses' wife. And their gay uncle Michael hated his dad - and their auntie - apart from choosing good green rags to wear, she had had counselling. ….. and their other Grandma really needs it.
It's my PoV. that a sequel is unwise.
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Post by marion on May 3, 2020 16:47:07 GMT
Well remembered GMan. So a few sheep (minus one dead in fence), some invisible pigs with a slurry pit, and three horses in a top of the range stable.
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Post by vicky on May 3, 2020 18:21:58 GMT
And if they make a sequel will there be yet another murder? Those poor children have enough to live down. Grandad killed grandma, mum killed dad and probably Paul will let on that dad had killed someone by accident before he tried to hang himself because mummy loved the bosses' wife. And their gay uncle Michael hated his dad - and their auntie - apart from choosing good green rags to wear, she had had counselling. ….. and their other Grandma really needs it. It's my PoV. that a sequel is unwise. Talk about Life With the Glums! They are either the unluckiest family in Ireland or the most psychopathic. Agree about a sequel and if there is one I won't bother, even if it does have Adrian Dunbar in it. I think this has been an example of trying to cash-in on a previous success and failing, although I still think that is largely the fault of the production team. The story was pretty far-fetched though.
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Post by goodhelenstar on May 3, 2020 19:31:00 GMT
Is 'the farm' just a term for a big house in the country? The farmhouse from the outside didn't look like a farmhouse, it looked more like a country manor. And inside was very spruce too. They didn't seem to have any staff either – an equestrian business would have people mucking out, exercising the horses, and so on. It seemed to be just the family. And as you've said they seem to have only one sheep, and a dead one at that! Obviously there is artistic licence and we can imagine daily working life without having to see it, but other than the drug gang in the outhouse there was no one else at all.
That said, I probably would watch a third series, for the lovely Adrian and to see how ridiculous it can get!
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Post by goodhelenstar on May 3, 2020 19:34:40 GMT
A final afterthought – where was Fiona going with Paul's body in the boot of the car – the slurry pit?
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