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Post by HoraceCoker on Sept 10, 2019 15:34:09 GMT
...well deserved Knighthood to a legendary cricketer...and a supporter of countless charitable causes over the years...
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Post by Miranda on Sept 10, 2019 16:03:30 GMT
Shame about the domestic abuse though.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2019 13:58:38 GMT
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Post by goodhelenstar on Sept 11, 2019 14:03:10 GMT
Indeed. I have zero interest in cricket but I believe he is considered one of the greats, and has done a lot of charitable work for which he received an OBE. I would have thought, however, that a criminal conviction ought to preclude anyone from receiving a knighthood.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2019 12:27:46 GMT
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Post by beverley61 on Sept 17, 2019 12:11:46 GMT
I don't think there was ever any doubt about the fact that he severely beat his girlfriend at the time. The apparent justification he gives is that she was after his money, which as the judge said was no justification at all.
I think all nominees for honours should have to go through the DBS (Disclosure and Barring Service) to check their criminal history. Everyone who works with vulnerable adults and children has to do this and I think this system would be useful. There have been other cases of people - not necessarily in the public eye - who have also received awards and then some murk from their past emerges.
Before anyone says, people can redeem themselves and should be respected for doing that. People can redeem themselves but they cannot expect to be given national 'merit' awards just because they are better now than they were then. Everyone should be the best they can be in terms of criminality. If a you are stuck off from your profession, it sticks, it doesn't matter how much you donate to a charity, you still committed an act bad enough not to be deemed as trustworthy going forward. It doesn't stop you creating a new profession and life for yourself but it does do what it is supposed to do and remove you from holding a position of trust. The consequences of our actions is what keep most of us on the straight and narrow - no matter how tempting it is to stray!
Of course easier all round would be to scrap the honours system completely! What's it for, if it isn't to bestow privilege on mostly privileged people and every year someone gets one that doesn't seem worthy and loads of people get one just because they did a certain job or know someone with a certain job. Everyday ordinary people that get them are probably chuffed, but what really does it give them, that a lovely 'golden' cheque from the Govt wouldn't do. If the merit came with no title but a credit to give you free council tax or an extra £50 a week in your pension perhaps it might be more useful and encourage more people to volunteer and get involved in a local scheme of some sort.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2019 14:16:55 GMT
I have to agree that there needs to be greater scrutiny. I had thought that there already was.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2019 15:00:10 GMT
A scale of moral turpitude would certainly make for fascinating reading.
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Post by beverley61 on Sept 18, 2019 12:03:37 GMT
Wouldn't it!
We were going to nominate a Scout Leader once after years of sterling work. We thought we had better just ask first and he was horrified. Apparently he went through the Arctic Convoys in WW2 (must've been about 15/16) and then saw some action in the Med/Atlantic and got a tip off that he was being sent out to the Far East. Jumped off his ship in Hull or somewhere, high tailed it across country and got himself on a Merchant Navy ship crossing to the US and stayed in the Merchant Navy for another 10 years. He had used his birth name (having been adopted) for the Merchant Navy and his adopted name for the RN. We didn't nominate him, we took him out for a drink on his retirement instead. HIs worry was, not that after all those years that he would be sent to Navy Clink but that his adopted sisters would find out that he hadn't been in the RN all that time.
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Post by cakewalk on Sept 18, 2019 16:10:37 GMT
Fascinating Beverley. What a good job you asked his permission though.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2019 20:15:58 GMT
The Telegraph is saying that Martha Kearney has said that she hit her head. You can see her with some of the pictures presented to the French court, here.
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Post by cakewalk on Sept 18, 2019 21:44:23 GMT
A fall, I imagine would only result in bruises on one side the face. She has symmetrical injuries, I truly think he assaulted her.
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Post by Miranda on Sept 18, 2019 22:01:49 GMT
I agree. That pattern of bruises is from being hit several times, I reckon. That back-handed slap that men tend to do to women.
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Post by cakewalk on Sept 18, 2019 22:16:35 GMT
Agreed. Poor woman. And how arrogant of Boycott to deny it.
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Post by Miranda on Sept 18, 2019 22:26:29 GMT
He's well-known for being self-centred and arrogant. He was like that as a player, he's like that as a pundit.
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