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Post by vicky on Jan 3, 2024 9:57:23 GMT
This is riveting viewing although very harrowing at times. I veer between being moved to tears and seething with anger at the way subpostmasters and mistresses all over the country were treated by the Post Office when their supposedly infallible computer system didn't work as it should. I was aware at the time of this being in the news but never realised quite how scandalous it became. This dramatisation has a fantastic cast - Toby Jones, Julie Hestmonhalgh, Monica Dolan, Will Mellor, Lia Williams - and is well worth watching
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Post by marion on Jan 3, 2024 10:18:18 GMT
I watched episode 1 yesterday, and at one positive point burst into a round of applause. I don’t think I shall be able to stay calm when that Vernalls woman (now a priest of some sort, you couldn’t bloody well make it up) appears on screen. I would like to see numerous bigwigs banged up for this disgusting behaviour. And the sheer brass neck of telling people “you’re the only one” just beggars belief. And I’d like action taken against Horizon as well. I shall try episode 2 later, when I’ve calmed down because writing this has already ticked me off. I have read numerous articles and watched a number of programmes about this, and the anger is never diminished by familiarity.
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Post by geometryman on Jan 3, 2024 11:29:57 GMT
Watched it all. Appalling that senior executives should have willingly ruined so many lives with such complete lack of feeling - or that they were able to, in our supposedly "innocent until proven guilty" society.. Waiting for the Real Story now, 10.45pm Thursday.
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Post by kakewalk on Jan 3, 2024 13:46:34 GMT
I’ve been watching this. It seems to have been very well done. How does an individual even begin to get to the bottom of something like this when those in charge utterly refuse to believe that there is a problem. Although I'm glad it was all eventually acknowledged and corrected, I gather that in many cases victims have still been left out of pocket. I say “corrected” as that is what they say, but I wonder if it truly has.
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Post by vicky on Jan 3, 2024 14:16:52 GMT
I’ve been watching this. It seems to have been very well done. How does an individual even begin to get to the bottom of something like this when those in charge utterly refuse to believe that there is a problem. Although I'm glad it was all eventually acknowledged and corrected, I gather that in many cases victims have still been left out of pocket. I say “corrected” as that is what they say, but I wonder if it truly has. I don't think they refused to believe there was a problem; I think they knew but wouldn't admit it. Was that because they didn't want to acknowledge that they (presumably) had spent a lot of money on a system that didn't work and were covering their own backs? Why was it that Fujitsu employees were hacking into the computers of Sub Post Offices and messing about with their figures even as the owners of those businesses watched helplessly? Why was poor Jo scapegoated, persuaded to plead guilty to "lesser" charges and convicted when the PO had a report from their own auditor saying he had found nothing amiss with her accounts, evidence which they hid from the court? To see how well paid, deviously clever people exploited a thoroughly decent but unsophisticated woman makes me so angry. Did no-one ever wonder where the money was supposed to have gone since none of the accused ever appeared to be living a lavish life style with the tens of thousands of pounds they were supposed to have stolen? What a sordid picture it paints of corporate Britain. |
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Post by marion on Jan 3, 2024 16:45:02 GMT
I agree Vicky, I don’t think the executives refused to believe anything, they knew all about it and covered up. Likewise the Japanese developers who seem to have got off Scot free in all this. They should all be sued and made to pay damages to these sub-postmasters imho before being banged up. Fujitsu should be made to pay up as well, bar stewards.
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Post by kakewalk on Jan 3, 2024 19:34:59 GMT
It seems to me that they DID refuse to believe it, but that they were duped by Fujitsu into believing that it was working. At least, I think they did at first. They believed the experts when they shouldn’t. Like any management, the Post Office management would have no working knowledge of the computer system and would rely on the makers of the product that it functioned properly rather than the word of the lowly frontline worker who were compelled to use it.
Anyway, perhaps we will find out more in the coming episodes.
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Post by marion on Jan 3, 2024 21:41:01 GMT
I am nearly having palpitations watching episode 3. How that b***h has the nerve to be an Anglican priest and give people sermons beggars belief. Anyway, I have signed the petition to strip her of her CBE. I would have added and her liberty to that, but never mind. And as to the hatchet faced woman Katherine Kelly is playing, I’m afraid I dropped a very rude word about her. Right, back to it but with a calming cup of tea I think, 😂.
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Post by vicky on Jan 3, 2024 22:08:47 GMT
I've signed the petition too and it had aa mention in the News at Ten headlines. I bet she thought this had all gone away....
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Post by linseed on Jan 3, 2024 22:24:11 GMT
Yes I signed it too, feeling so angry
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Post by Miranda on Jan 3, 2024 22:47:46 GMT
Is there a link to the petition? I will definitely sign it
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Post by kakewalk on Jan 3, 2024 22:49:33 GMT
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Post by Miranda on Jan 3, 2024 22:50:17 GMT
Thank you!
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Post by Miranda on Jan 4, 2024 0:01:54 GMT
I've shared it to my local FB group as we have a post office and I don't think many people around here realised how bad it was. I've also shared it to Threads.
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Post by marion on Jan 4, 2024 9:38:59 GMT
When I signed the petition yesterday it stood at around 57k, hoping to get 75k. It’s now at 111k! 👏
I remember when I worked in international banks and a computer system was to be installed, just how much user acceptance testing there was, and if it was big, the weekends spent in simulation testing. There has been no reference to anyone but the developers monitoring this system (and hacking in to correct errors). Nothing seems to have been tested or logged as an error by the Post Office for follow up by an implementation team, and review by auditors. I mean, that’s just basic isn’t it?
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Anymore to come?
