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Post by sootycat on Jan 14, 2019 12:47:32 GMT
I know this programme is full on 'sentimental' but I love it.
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Post by beverley61 on Jan 14, 2019 13:01:09 GMT
It was passed in 1967, coming into effect at the end of April 1968 - it took a year to come into effect. I have no idea if anyone was arrested and imprisoned in that year, but I doubt it because by that time the police were rarely involved and like last night reluctant to turn the woman having the abortion into a criminal. Obviously before 1821 you could be hanged, although cases were always rare. After that it was transportation until that stopped and then prison. There is a buffer to this act, The Infant Life Preservation Act - this acted to stop people killing a child during actual labour and a woman was prosecuted in 2017 for this and it also reviews the time limit, currently 28 weeks. The death penalty for this was retained but rarely used until the death penalty was abolished. However high abortion rates were in the past, infanticide rates were probably higher which is another reason for the time limit to register births and deaths was brought in and why midwives had to send in their paperwork so that a registrar could be on the look out for people not turning up to register a birth. You can still be fined for failing to register a birth. In some countries, I think it was the case in Ireland, people had months to register a birth, possibly up to six months or longer from birth. It is unknown therefore how many babies simply 'died at birth or failed to thrive' during that period and it is believed that infanticide was probably used instead of abortion on a very large scale. It was another reason why there was a big push to get women into hospital for their deliveries and why unregistered midwives could be prosecuted. Nobody would suggest that the good sister at Nonatus would be involved in such a thing, but it was common enough for unregistered midwives to be involved in deliveries, infanticide and abortions. Social historians have suggested that this may account for the extremely high infant mortality rates post Industrial Revolution and that it is not just the living conditions. Well it is but not in the same way.
The 67 Act says that two doctors have to agree that carrying on with the pregnancy would be more dangerous to a woman's health; however even Steel who brought the act knew that two doctors that agreed with abortion would always be able to say this, as it is always more dangerous to carry a pregnancy to term and go through labour than it is to terminate a pregnancy before 28 weeks. Even today doctors would have to agree to this because it is a scientific and statistical fact.
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Post by Miranda on Jan 14, 2019 13:06:12 GMT
Ah interesting! Thanks Bev.
I thought we must be getting close to the passing of the law in CtM cos of the involvement of the police by the victim's sister.
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Post by beverley61 on Jan 14, 2019 16:41:21 GMT
Yes and as we saw, they weren't very interested in prosecuting her by that time in history. It did depend on who was in charge and what their personal feelings were and a court case would have been shameful even if you just ended up being fined. It would still have been the kind of thing the tabloids got a hold of. .
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Post by monic on Jan 20, 2019 20:59:39 GMT
wow £10 in old money was a lot of money then. Clarice shows that you cannot judge a person by their appearance, although her dying was predictable. Good episode tonight.
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Post by Geoffers on Jan 21, 2019 6:57:13 GMT
They were not £10 notes in the book,but 10 shilling notes.
Still a lot ,when some people were probably only earning single figures per week.
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Post by monic on Jan 21, 2019 7:34:55 GMT
Thanks Geoffers I don’t recognise the old notes,
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 9:52:54 GMT
Only watched this last night and I was struck by what a fine actress Annette Crosbie is.
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Post by Miranda on Jan 27, 2019 22:11:08 GMT
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Post by vicky on Jan 28, 2019 8:36:38 GMT
Yes, me too! So the stiff and starchy doctor's receptionist has a heart after all. Apart from the silliness about the "beach" it was a good episode.
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Post by janne on Jan 28, 2019 11:10:41 GMT
It's very twee but I like it. How did they do that, a baby with a cleft lip and palate? It didn't look like a doll and it was a very little baby.
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Post by sootycat on Jan 28, 2019 12:21:05 GMT
Loved them chasing the cat out of the sand
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Post by vicky on Jan 28, 2019 18:23:01 GMT
It's very twee but I like it. How did they do that, a baby with a cleft lip and palate? It didn't look like a doll and it was a very little baby. I once read that they use computer generated images to "create" the newborns.
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Post by cakewalk on Jan 28, 2019 18:35:00 GMT
I don't know where that came from vicky. There was quite a big feature in the Radio Times maybe a couple of months ago (maybe around the time series began again) which said they get through something like 60 to 70 newborns each series.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2019 18:51:03 GMT
It's very twee but I like it. How did they do that, a baby with a cleft lip and palate? It didn't look like a doll and it was a very little baby. I once read that they use computer generated images to "create" the newborns. I often wonder about this and can't accept that it's all a live birthing. I did ask about this years ago but no solutions I do get the weekly RT sent to me but often miss some of the articles. I'm hoping there is some CGI used ! I had a friend staying over Xmas ,she was forced to watch the Xmas edition,I feel she disliked all these closeups but of course she has no TV at home but has survived the process twice !!
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