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Post by Miranda on Apr 6, 2019 18:50:39 GMT
Yeah, conniving only works when people trust you.
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Post by sootycat on Apr 9, 2019 11:21:10 GMT
The writer of Victoria is a bit miffed they have put this on opposite Line of Duty. Seemingly, it has lost the odd viewer.  |
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Post by beverley61 on Apr 9, 2019 15:43:15 GMT
It's lost quite a few million viewers. It needs an injection of humour somewhere. It's pretty and the history of sorts is ok, but it's not scintillating, well not so far. However like all long running historical dramas we need a bit of light relief. This week even when she fell into the sea and had to be dragged out she made a funny remark but nobody else laughed and the moment was lost. Surely the staff laughed sometimes. There is little point in us learning about the staff stories unless there is some relief from the stilted upstairs brigade. Mainly the sister is not working as a storyline and no way would Palmerston allow himself to be blackmailed by her. He would have extricated himself from that bedroom and made some excuse about hearing her have a nightmare or something and called a maid, the man must have been adept at thinking on his feet.
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Post by marion on Apr 9, 2019 19:30:47 GMT
There was something about him the paper today and apparently whilst staying at a country house he did go into the wrong room whilst looking for his fiancée's room for an assignation. Obviously this did not involve the Queen's sister! But he tried to have his way with the surprised occupant regardless but was fought off.
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Post by geometryman on Apr 9, 2019 19:53:37 GMT
That confirms my opinion of him as a cad! "Oops, wrong room, I was looking for my fiancee. Never mind, you'll do instead." I've read about it now, and apparently he blocked the door with a wardrobe to prevent her escape.
Daisy Goodwin's been tinkering with the timelines again though - the incident happened in 1839 so would have belonged in series 1, S3 starts in 1848 when Palmerston was well into his sixties.
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Apr 22, 2019 17:14:48 GMT
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Post by beverley61 on Apr 22, 2019 17:14:48 GMT
Palmerston is getting a bit more of a whitewash. Yes we got his unusual marriage, but the bit about paying for his tenants to go to America to avoid the famine although true was not quite as much a good deed as he made out.
He did send up to 2000 of his impoverished hungry tenants to US and Canada but many argued at the time that this was cheaper than feeding and housing them and allowed him to increase his parkland/ farmland by clearing housing. Also it was reported and corroborated that he paid the cheapest passage on cargo shops and packed them in. No attempt was made to build up their strength or feed them well on the trip and large numbers died. Many others went straight into workhouse. It was remarked at the time that some were very old people, widows and unaccompanied small children (some of whom were naked). People that would never be able to earn a living in the US and people that in the normal course of thing he would have been responsible for in his own alms houses and poor houses. So their was no charity in this, he just got rid of the poor, old, disabled and unprofitable people from his estate and then authorities in the cities they arrived in were forced to support them.
He wasn't the only person to do this but the state of the cargo ships and the state of the people on his ships was remarked upon critically.
He really was a shit!
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Anymore to come?
