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Post by HoraceCoker on Feb 18, 2018 22:49:27 GMT
You have to really concentrate, though. I must have blinked a couple of times because I got slightly confused! Trewlove was great tonight with the double-yellow line stuff, and Bright was terrific coming to her rescue. I fear there may be repercussions, though. Nice to see Fancy starting to prove his worth - and Morse starting to accept him! ....they did rush through things towards the end...had to run it back...and it all became clear...
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Post by goodhelenstar on Feb 18, 2018 23:22:29 GMT
But we don't know about the whisky theft and Cromwell Ames, do we?
Quite a high body count this week. It was a clever twist with the trainspotter. I thought he had killed Frances / Jilly, which we were clearly meant to.
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Post by sootycat on Feb 19, 2018 1:19:19 GMT
Nearly fell off my chair when I saw the Crossroads motel sign...and the various mentions of Kings Oak. Kept waiting for a fleeting glimpse of Benny
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 7:55:57 GMT
Really enjoyed this AND it kept me awake and paying attention until 10 p m which these days is almost a record. Mostly I am in bed by 9 am still too tired to read. Last night I was so awake I needed to read to get settled enough to do so. Is it my imagination or is Morse putting on a little weight? His face is not quite as thin as when he started and it is perfect for the change from the very young to the slightly older character.
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Post by deansay on Feb 19, 2018 12:27:45 GMT
Nearly fell off my chair when I saw the Crossroads motel sign...and the various mentions of Kings Oak. Kept waiting for a fleeting glimpse of Benny Loved the nod to Crossroads appeared and Kings Oak. I laughed out loud when that appeared.
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Post by Miranda on Feb 19, 2018 16:06:14 GMT
But why did they make the autistic guy the killer? Like they don't get bullied enough IRL through people not understanding the condition.
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Post by goodhelenstar on Feb 19, 2018 18:13:27 GMT
He was the killer in the earlier unsolved murder, and we were meant to suspect him for France / Jilly's murder. Bit of a coincidence that he decided to kill a second time just at the time there was an investigation going on, though he may not have known that.
I suppose it's because the story is now firmly in the 60s that it has lost its rather gentle edge, if you can say that about a murder-strewn city! Bright and those like him are a relic of an earlier, more polite and respectful society, and sadly will give way to the robbery squad (more typical of the Sweeney, ironically). I did enjoy Bright seeing off the oafish DI, but I'm not sure I like the sharper edge of the storylines, realistic though they no doubt are. It's curious that it was the languid pace that made the original Morse series so popular.
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Post by LoopyLobes on Feb 19, 2018 18:19:33 GMT
Just watched it in bits, had to keep rewinding and catching up on bits I'd slept through (not a problem with the programme, a problem with me). I really enjoyed last night's programme, but was surprised by the rush at the end with the solving of the older murder. Was he planning to kill the stationmaster's wife too? What was his motive for the murder of the young girl back in 1964? Will we find out in another episode who killed Lloyd? How on earth did Frances think she'd get away with pretending to be her sister for long? Bizarre really, all those things going on in one episode. Did enjoy it though.
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Post by beverley61 on Feb 20, 2018 12:33:44 GMT
There didn't seem to be any motive for him to try and kill the stationmaster wife, the cases were entirely different and he wasn't even a suspect for the first murder or are we supposed to believe that it was because the station master was rude to him. It was loose end tied up badly for me.
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Post by undertheparapet on Feb 20, 2018 20:44:10 GMT
I have to agree with others about this headlong rush to a conclusion of the murder story and the almost sparse elements of the gangster story. Was Oxford in the late 60s really a hotbed of organised crime? Now that they’ve worked out who was responsible for the two most recent murders, I’m assuming that the cold case killing of the schoolgirl is a discrete plot line, which has now ended, although I guess we’ll still be returning to the gangster wars.
So, given that the earlier murder is a bit of a loose end, I agree it doesn’t really fit and it’s a cop-out not to tie it up. The collection of souvenirs is a classic serial killer habit, but he doesn’t appear to have committed any more murders for several years? Unless of course there are other missing persons whose bodies have never been found. Plus, there’s no actual evidence that he was intending to murder the pregnant woman - we only saw him enter the room and then her having stabbed him - how likely is it that she would overpower him if he really meant her harm?
We viewers know far too much about offender and victim profiling these days, so we get a bit frustrated if things turn out sloppily. A disappointing episode for me.
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Post by beatxt on Feb 20, 2018 21:24:13 GMT
.....So, given that the earlier murder is a bit of a loose end, I agree it doesn’t really fit and it’s a cop-out not to tie it up. How is it a loose end? Didn't they find the schoolgirl's shoes and prefect badge in the attic where his trainset was!?
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Post by Miranda on Feb 20, 2018 21:46:45 GMT
Yes, But it was out of the blue and they would not have found them if he hadn't attacked the Station Master's wife. And there was no reason given for that. It was out of the blue after years and years of not attacking anyone. That's why it's a loose end. It just looked rushed.
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Post by LoopyLobes on Feb 21, 2018 10:28:05 GMT
The ending did seem odd in that respect. Good programme though.
Always liked Endeavour then realised the other night when the actor came up in a quiz I was in, he looks a lot like my younger son and my lovely Dad (may he rest in peace). Depends how he has his hair and whether he's smiling or not.
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Post by beverley61 on Feb 21, 2018 12:58:41 GMT
I have to agree with others about this headlong rush to a conclusion of the murder story and the almost sparse elements of the gangster story. Was Oxford in the late 60s really a hotbed of organised crime? Now that they’ve worked out who was responsible for the two most recent murders, I’m assuming that the cold case killing of the schoolgirl is a discrete plot line, which has now ended, although I guess we’ll still be returning to the gangster wars. So, given that the earlier murder is a bit of a loose end, I agree it doesn’t really fit and it’s a cop-out not to tie it up. The collection of souvenirs is a classic serial killer habit, but he doesn’t appear to have committed any more murders for several years? Unless of course there are other missing persons whose bodies have never been found. Plus, there’s no actual evidence that he was intending to murder the pregnant woman - we only saw him enter the room and then her having stabbed him - how likely is it that she would overpower him if he really meant her harm? We viewers know far too much about offender and victim profiling these days, so we get a bit frustrated if things turn out sloppily. A disappointing episode for me. yes, if you were profiling this one, you wouldn't pick out the pregnant Station Masters wife as a likely target. The others were also not similar. I mean if the Train Spotter had not attacked the pregnant woman he would never have been a suspect at all. Yes he was an unusual personality, but he was working, coping in society and had a hobby that many find amusing and strange but other than that he was in the clear. A bit of a big leap I think. Not saying he didn't kill the first girl but there was no evidence from that time and no motive this time. There was a long gap between killings, which as it turned out wasn't a gap because the first murder was not part of a series but an isolated incident. Not convinced.
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Post by vicky on Feb 21, 2018 16:50:50 GMT
He had her prefect's badge and her missing shoes in a drawer in the room (attic?) where he had his train set.
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