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Post by geometryman on Apr 4, 2017 7:09:15 GMT
Sorry, edited out your entire post! I was commenting on:
"The stuff on Ian's computer is sufficiently vague for us not to know if the police will be able to recover it, isn't it? If it was downloaded from the internet then I think they would be able to recover it, but if it was loaded on from a USB stick, say, then I think it could be completely cleared out, though if it was that simple he could have done it himself without all the cloak and dagger stuff with Leo the twine merchant. I'm assuming it's something that has been locally created / filmed, hence Ellie wanting to know where Tom got it from (if it's the same thing). "
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Post by bethb63 on Apr 4, 2017 8:45:17 GMT
When Ellie looked at the porn on the phone (even though it was only briefly), her reaction was anger but not the more personal shock I would've expected if it featured anyone she recognised (such as Hardy's daughter).
Also, I think it's past time to let go of the idea that there is more to Danny's death than we know.
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Post by goodhelenstar on Apr 4, 2017 9:59:09 GMT
Good point. Ian looked pretty confident when the police demanded his computer, so my guess is he thinks he's removed whatever it is and it will come back to bite him. I was simply thinking that Broadchurch's stories tend to throw up many red herrings but in the end not be particularly complicated, and I'd be surprised if there were two computer-related nefarious activities going on. As we know there is porn being passed around and that Lucas is in on it, and Lucas and Leo have a connection (and Leo is a little s***), it would make sense for Ian to be in on it as well. But spyware is, sadly, a possibility.
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Post by beverley61 on Apr 4, 2017 10:01:44 GMT
I thought before that the computer was vital, I wondered whether it has been used to film secretly e.g. he wanted to film his ex wife to find out what she was doing. Of course the people that installed it for him may have been using it themselves. He does seem to be the only one concerned about it, so I am still wondering if this has been some secret filming.
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Post by goodhelenstar on Apr 4, 2017 10:03:26 GMT
Agree, though the phone-and-laptop-smashing scene was a pretty extreme reaction.
Well, you can if you like but I shall fondly cling on to the idea, in the knowledge that I'm probably wrong! The end of series 1 came completely from left field, as did series 2 in a way, with the verdict and subsequent actions of the townsfolk, so whatever happens in the final episode will be something unexpected, I think. We don't know what Joe Miller told Mark, just that whatever it was left him so without hope that he appears to have committed suicide.
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Post by sootycat on Apr 4, 2017 11:58:11 GMT
I wasn't expecting that ending.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 12:53:19 GMT
Yes, the final dream sequence of Mark and Danny in the boat showed an older Danny as well. I took it that Mark really was on the clifftop – a throwback to the image of Danny on the clifftop that we were repeatedly shown in series 1 – and the scene in the boat was a dream. I imagine we'll find out next week when his body is discovered ... That hadn't occurred to me!  But it makes perfect sense. It is very unusual, is it not, to dream of someone as having aged since you last met them? Whenever I dream of some children I looked after (which I do surprisingly often), they are always still the age and size they were 40 yrs ago, even though I have seen pictures of them as grown-ups with children of their own. |
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Post by vicky on Apr 4, 2017 15:27:42 GMT
I hadn't thought of that but it is a good point. I realised the first sequence of Mark playing a computer game with Danny was a dream but not the boat scene.
I think if I had found porn on my 15 year old son's phone anger would have been my reaction too...especially if I had already taken the phone away and deleted everything. To find he had defied me like that would have doubled the anger so yes, I might well have smashed it up.
Given the sort of pictures you read of kids taking of themselves, it could be that what Ellie saw wasn't recognisable as someone she knew....i.e. no face visible. When Daisy told her father about her photos being passed around she said "Please don't make me show them to you Dad." I thought then that they must have been pretty explicit.
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Post by geometryman on Apr 4, 2017 17:04:20 GMT
Again, though, it wasn't just pictures - you could hear moans and heavy breathing coming from what Ellie was watching. I think what Tom had on there was at a whole different level from a few risque photos of his classmates, and we now know where it came from - Lucas the Taxi driver, via his stepson. Ellie should be going after him for distributing porn to minors - but I'm not sure I fancy him for the rape.
I don't think either Jim or Ed were guilty of the rape either. In Jim's case, he'd had consensual sex with Trish on the Saturday morning, so why would he be raping her on Saturday evening? Ed seems to be obsessed purely with Trish, so I don't see him as the attacker in the two historic cases (I'm assuming, perhaps wrongly, that it was the same perpetrator in all three cases).
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Post by goodhelenstar on Apr 4, 2017 17:49:03 GMT
Yes, it's clear that whatever Tom had on his phone was pretty extreme and was probably filmed sexual acts. Could it be Trish's rape, that we suspect was filmed, and if so was it Lucas who filmed it and/or carried it out, perhaps with the assistance of twine boy Leo?
I don't think Ed is guilty of anything more than a deep obsession and nasty temper. He seems contrite for not behaving well towards his wife when she was dying - he wouldn't be the first spouse to desert an ailing partner because he couldn't cope.
As for Jim, I'm inclined to agree that having had consensual sex with Trish that very morning, and given that it was his party and he's likely to have been busy playing host, it's unlikely he would want to do it again that evening, or risk being caught.
I think we can rule out Aaron as he was in prison during the time the first rape took place, and it's too easy a solution for a detective story!
So that leaves the owner of Axehampton who is too peripheral a character, unless of course he pops up again next week; Leo, Tom Miller, Lucas's stepson or Lucas himself. Out of that lot I'd go for Lucas, though it is a toss-up between him and Leo whose face I'd like to punch more!
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Post by hoodylover on Apr 4, 2017 19:45:06 GMT
It was wonderfully dramatic last night and, although I don't like their characters in the programme, I think that Andrew Buchan (Mark) and Matthew Carvelle (Joe) acted their socks off. I loved the roasting that Ellie gave to Katie. The young woman's arrogance and lack of respect for her senior officers has grated with me throughout. I guess she's inherited her dad's bad attitude.
Hardy's daughter Daisy has a face like a wet weekend (which is a shame because she's really pretty).
My money's on Lucas as the rapist. I fear that Ellie herself might face the wrath of Hardy for smashing up the phone and laptop, as I think there will turn out to be useful evidence on them. Let's hope "Dirty" Brian can save the day and retrieve the data.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 21:40:12 GMT
I was amazed that Ellie smashed up the laptop and phone, as a mother let alone a police woman I'd want to know what my son had been viewing, double standards I feel having ripped into Ed's daughter.  Do I really believe that Mark would top himself after knowing he couldn't have saved Danny that night? He's also got two more children would he really be that selfish? Why kill yourself? Just because he hadn't the bottle to kill Danny's killer! That doesn't ring true to me, why not just go home and say it's over to his wife? Questions, questions.  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 21:54:07 GMT
I was amazed that Ellie smashed up the laptop and phone, as a mother let alone a police woman I'd want to know what my son had been viewing, double standards I feel having ripped into Ed's daughter. From the looks of things the phone's memory card and SIM, and the laptops hard-drive, are probably intact so any data could be retrieved without much difficulty for evidence. It was a rather foolish thing to do, though. Still, it wouldn't be the first time that a burst of anger at a member of her family has got her into trouble, as Joe Miller's freedom is living proof of. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 8:40:42 GMT
Do I really believe that Mark would top himself after knowing he couldn't have saved Danny that night? He's also got two more children would he really be that selfish? Why kill yourself? Just because he hadn't the bottle to kill Danny's killer! That doesn't ring true to me ... I think, sadly, it is a fairly common response, though some men drink themselves to a slow suicide rather than going for an instant exit. I remember seeing an interview with a father whose child had been murdered. His anguish was mixed with rage that he had been impotent to prevent it happening. He died a short while later (drink and prescription drugs overdose). His wife coped much better. She found the strength to go on because of the remaining children. OK, so that is just one example, but I do think men and women react differently to the violent loss of a child. |
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Post by goodhelenstar on Apr 5, 2017 10:14:17 GMT
It's not so very long ago that suicide was regarded as a criminal act that could result in reducing surviving family members to poverty. There's an interesting article about it here: www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-14374296. Other societies had different attitudes to suicide. Ours seems to have come from the Church, which regarded the taking of one's own life as a crime against God. It's the secularisation of society that largely changed attitudes and led to a change in the law in 1961 for England and Wales – I can't find the date for Scotland and wonder if it ever was a criminal offence. I'd like to think not. Even though the law changed, it takes a lot longer for attitudes to change and it saddens me that some still regard it as a selfish act. I can't imagine the torment that fictional Mark was going through, but we know it reflects the reality for many. Could he have been helped? We know his marriage was on the rocks before Danny's death, so it's not really surprising that it didn't survive the horror of losing him, but on the surface he was still on good terms with Beth and Chloe. He was not without friends, not without support, but in the end nothing could change his view that he failed Danny. It's heartbreaking. (That's if he did go through with it, which we don't know for sure.) |
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