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Post by goodhelenstar on Aug 16, 2019 10:30:37 GMT
Interesting article. The writer also writes episode reviews which I find more thoughtful than the Guardian ones. I'm dismayed to read that the producers are thinking in terms of 10 seasons – that's a lot of time for June to keep not escaping! Unless they kill her off or have her escape and organise resistance from the outside. As we know that Gilead continued for many years after her lifetime, I don't imagine we will see the downfall of Gilead, unless they move forward in time.
I have the impression the producers are not delighted that Margaret Atwood has written a sequel, which complicates their plans. I wonder if she would have done that if the TV series, which has given her novel a new lease of life, hadn't been made. It's a small part of her output and parts of it are a bit corny now, though the central message is as strong and relevant as ever, sadly.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2019 13:09:23 GMT
Interesting article. The writer also writes episode reviews which I find more thoughtful than the Guardian ones. I'm dismayed to read that the producers are thinking in terms of 10 seasons – that's a lot of time for June to keep not escaping! Unless they kill her off or have her escape and organise resistance from the outside. As we know that Gilead continued for many years after her lifetime, I don't imagine we will see the downfall of Gilead, unless they move forward in time. The final paragraph does seem disagree: {SPOILER:Click to Show}Miller told Mashable he wants to take the story all the way to Gilead’s own version of the Nuremberg Trials after the fall of the regime, when Serena and Commander Waterford are forced to answer for their crimes. “We can go on for a very long time,” he promised.
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Post by marion on Aug 19, 2019 12:12:07 GMT
Well, that was action packed!!!!! I was really surprised to see the end of Christopher Meloni from Law and Order, and the body disposal!!! I have to see that Martha's vacuum cleaner is a lot more effective than mine, the way it hoovered up all that blood. And the Waterfords lured into Canada and arrested!! Woo hoo. Now did Serena organise that with Mr Hawaii I wonder, or was she genuinely surprised?
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Post by goodhelenstar on Aug 19, 2019 13:15:44 GMT
Yes, I'd love to have a carpet cleaner like that! Winslow's rise and fall was very swift in terms of our knowledge of him, wasn't it? I thought initially we were meant to like him, with his jolly wife and his kids clambering all over him before bedtime stories, then he got worse and worse. The incinerator scene was horrible – what is it normally used for, I wonder? Why would a night club/brothel have one? The mind boggles ... perhaps disposing of bodies is not so rare – the Marthas were certainly very efficient.
Hard to tell if Serena set Fred up. She seemed to be enjoying it all, from the driving to the evening singing, walk in the woods (no snow for once!) and sex, which she initiated. And yet she had implied last week that they would have to go to Nichole if Nichole couldn't come to her, and my goodness she has plenty to resent him for. I think perhaps him telling her he didn't like other men looking at her was not a good move! She also said goodbye to Rita in a very significant way. We were not told the nature of the negotiation they thought they were going to have – perhaps it was always the intention that they would stay in Canada but not that Fred would be arrested? I hope we find out next week and they don't leave it dangling as they tend to do.
I did think it unlikely that Fred would simply follow Tuello all that way without smelling a rat, and that there didn't appear to be a border was also odd. There often aren't in very remote places, but you'd think all of Gilead's border would be heavily defended.
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Post by marion on Aug 19, 2019 13:57:59 GMT
I suppose you needed to get through lots of Gilead posts to reach that open road. Otherwise, all the handmaids could just walk to Canada rather than having to swim or whatever! Lawrence did say he couldn't get very far with his wife as he no longer had the right documentation.
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Post by goodhelenstar on Aug 30, 2019 14:49:38 GMT
Last episode on Sunday! I usually watch twice to catch the bits I've missed, but haven't had time to this week. June seems to be coming in for quite a bit of stick in reviews and elsewhere for failing to act to save Eleanor, but I do wonder what she could have done, and why indeed she should be criticised for acting in a way that would be reprehensible in a normal society, but in such a corrupt regime, where she at least has a chance of saving some children, is understandable.
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Post by goodhelenstar on Sept 2, 2019 9:44:08 GMT
So that was it, until next year. Once again the ending was ambiguous in terms of June's survival, and once again I imagine she will survive. But to what? And what can await all those Handmaids and Marthas who didn't escape, other than execution or starvation in the woods? June's individual decision to stay was covered up last season, but with a planeload of children missing and presumably the same number of Marthas left behind, it can't be covered up. I don't see Lawrence surviving long, either, but then again he might not wish to, having lost both his wife and his faith in Gilead. A pity if he does die, he's an intriguing character.
It was good to see all the escapees together at the end as volunteers for the arrival of the plan on Canadian soil, if a tad unlikely. And I'm not sure why they were there if they didn't know what the cargo was in the plane – the pilot presumably radioed ahead, but then it shouldn't have been a surprise. Maybe Moira was just shocked at the extent of it. Pretty disconcerting for the children, too, to see women not in uniform, with short uncovered hair, expressing themselves freely. Those young enough not to remember 'before' are in for a traumatising time.
I'll be going along to the cinema relay of Margaret Atwood's talk next week – it will be interesting to hear about the new novel and what, if anything, she says about the TV show. It won't be anything derogatory, of course, but she's bound to be asked what she thinks about the development of her characters.
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Post by marion on Sept 2, 2019 21:06:30 GMT
I thought it was good episode. Would June have gone too if she hadnt been shot? Not without Hannah I guess. I have to say I found it difficult to watch her letting Mrs Lawrence die the other week. She became so obsessed with her mission that, although it was a good thing, she didnt care who had to suffer what IMO. So will she be bothered about an y Marthas who die?
And Serena! That was a turn up that she is being charged with rape, or its facilitation. But wasn't June sleeping with Nick anyway? I didnt understand how that got Serena a rape charge.
I would quite like to see a return visit to The Colonies.
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Post by geometryman on Sept 2, 2019 22:51:21 GMT
I agree, no she wouldn't, she's determined to get Hannah out.
I assumed Fred was behind that, getting his revenge on Serena by taking her down with him - probably told the prosecutors something which was economical with the truth.
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Post by goodhelenstar on Sept 3, 2019 7:13:54 GMT
That was her reason for not leaving at the end of series 2. This time she was prepared to die by first acting as a decoy and then shooting the guard. She has been sailing close to the wind all series, and she can't help Hannah if she doesn't survive. There was a dreamy, elegiac quality to the final moments that would allow for series 4 to start with her not having survived. I doubt it though!
Fred told the prosecutors that Serena had forced Nick to rape June – a dangerous strategy since that's pretty well telling them that Nichole is not his daughter either, but probably the most effective way of hurting her as well as punishing her. I did wonder if he might tell them about Serena's role in bringing on June's labour by insisting on a Ceremony when it wasn't required under Gilead rules, but that would have implicated him too. He is a slippery customer but not a fool!
I'd like to see their prosecution next series, which I think might happen – the writers have talked about Nuremberg-style trials, though presumably not with capital punishment. And they'll have a cracking witness in Rita. How will that affect those still in Gilead, I wonder.
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Post by marion on Sept 3, 2019 10:02:03 GMT
Oh yes, a full blown war crimes trial would be good.
I dont think June will die, although I wonder where she will get treatment.
Thanks Helen, I missed/had forgotten that Fred had told them Serena forced Nick into it. I did read somewhere that Nick had been due to play more of a role this series but they changed the direction, but hadnt ruled out his return. Perhaps as a witness!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2019 14:47:43 GMT
Margaret Attwood has gone from the Booker long list to the final shortlist. The judges have to sign a non-disclosure agreement so that they can read it before it's final release.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2019 10:17:26 GMT
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Post by goodhelenstar on Sept 4, 2019 12:34:45 GMT
Tantalising, thank you. The book is being released for sale on 10 September, next Tuesday, the same day as the cinema relay. I imagine it will be on sale there.
I realise it's a bit late to say this, but it occurred to me to wonder why, if Nick was a Commander all along, he was forced into marrying Eden, which he was clearly not comfortable with. I never could see why he would be working as an Eye, which was much lowlier than a Commander, and he wasn't under cover as Serena and Fred apparently knew of his role in bringing about Gilead. All very odd.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2019 12:47:34 GMT
I will probably be re-reading The Handmaid’s Tale before getting The Testaments. Apparently, there is also something newer in the audio book, something added to the bit at the end of The Handmaid’s Tale in the Historical Notes.
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