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Post by beverley61 on Nov 19, 2022 16:19:38 GMT
I do not wish to denigrate anyone's rights but I would really like to see someone with some authority mention WOMEN'S RIGHTS.
Yes, I know being a homosexual in that country can be dangerous. I do appreciate how distressing that would be.
However, everyday life is dangerous for women in this region. They have no status, very few rights. They can be married at 12 or 13. They can be locked inside a house. They can be divorced for no reason. They can even be killed for 'honour'. They can suffer genital mutilation, are pressurised to commit suicide if they're raped. Just going to the neighbours without a male escort can land you in prison.
I know it's not Qatar, but last week they started stoning women in Afghanistan again. Who knows what's happening behind closed doors in Qatar - certainly more murders of women than are ever reported. Certainly more infanticide of females.
But no, we have aeroplanes painted in the LGBTQ+ colours, players with armbands, statements from teams. I'm not opposed to that.
But can we mention the women somewhere amongst this. I am sure their numbers far outweigh the number of homosexuals in the country.
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Post by Miranda on Nov 19, 2022 16:29:42 GMT
Agreed. I won't be watching it at all because I am uncomfortable with the whole thing.
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Post by beverley61 on Nov 19, 2022 18:00:41 GMT
No I'm not either. It's just wrong. This is a bad country on so many levels. It's not even geared up for tourism and they haven't even finished the accommodation. Fans in a tented village said today. There is no bus to get anywhere and no shop. It was an hours walk to buy water and bread. They haven't opened the cafes yet and have promised the buses will start on Monday!! £184 a night to sleep on an airbed in a tent.
BBC commentators said today that all the restaurants they had been using have withdrawn their menus and reissued new ones at double the price. Fortunately the BBC has put them in self catering accommodation and they were going out to a supermarket today. They only managed to get self catering because someone knew someone who was happy to go away for three weeks.
Qatar changed its covid regs on Thursday and now everyone has to queue up and pay for a PCR test.
One commentator said going to get his journalist's accreditation meant going to the Ministry of Labour and then the Ministry of Health and was all a bit MI5ish. It made him very uncomfortable, they were looking at his social media and everything.
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Post by marion on Nov 19, 2022 19:48:48 GMT
I said the same thing about women’s rights the other day, Beverley. The whole thing is just dreadful imho. I don’t like football anyway so it’s no great loss to me TBH . I do hope Budweiser sue the totally corrupt FIFA and/or the Qatari Supreme Committee because there is no way they would have paid $75mn on the back of a Bud Zero promotion opportunity. If I were the CEO I would have demanded they remove all reference to my company from the sorry event. Oh, and after all the beer fuss I gather the VIPs were drinking champagne and vintage wines in their hospitality area. Hypocrisy of it all!!! No doubt all the FIFA officials will get whatever they want.
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Post by beverley61 on Nov 19, 2022 21:16:55 GMT
They paid $75 million for the advertising rights. Their adverts will be in all the breaks across the world whether Qatar likes it or not. The bars in the stadiums are peanuts compared to that. It is however, a good opportunity to promote alcohol free beer.
I think there are lots of stadiums across the world that don't sell alcohol. The issue is the way the Royal family just pass a decree and it's done.
At the moment none of the fanzones are selling alcohol and nobody is sure whether they will in the end. Some of them aren't even finished yet. Actually some of them have been renamed Family Zones! So ice creams all round.
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Post by marion on Nov 19, 2022 21:30:26 GMT
Well TBH I wasn’t aware you could drink alcohol at such venues, and I have been in the Middle East for business trips so am aware of the restrictions, but I think they should never have agreed to Budweiser as a sponsor if that is their attitude, rather than taking the money and then changing their minds. It’s like being sponsored by Nescafé and then refusing to sell coffee.
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Post by marion on Nov 20, 2022 9:24:12 GMT
Shock horror! Andrew Castle on his LBC show mentioned women’s rights first!!! I know he gets a bit of a ripping for his tennis commentary, but credit where… etc. (Actually I enjoy his weekend shows.)
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Post by bidiein on Nov 20, 2022 16:34:53 GMT
Ok, so we have it on. The only way to get it moved would be for the qualifying countries to decline to take part if it was held in Qatar. But not one of them was prepared to do so.
Ecuador have scored twice against the host nation.
Some women, in t-shirts (bare arms!!!) are in the crowd.
I thought there was an opening ceremony with music etc? If so, the Beeb did not show it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2022 16:48:32 GMT
The first part of the opening ceremony was missed because BBC One opted not to interrupt coverage of the Women's Super League match between Chelsea and Tottenham Hotspur.
But once the game had concluded and the BBC switched to its team in Doha, it refused to show the remainder of the opening ceremony on terrestrial TV, instead broadcasting a pre-packaged report on Qatar's questionable human rights record and the controversy surrounding the tournament.
Many fans are not happy.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2022 17:02:50 GMT
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Post by bidiein on Nov 20, 2022 17:31:56 GMT
So the BBC wants to lecture us on Human Rights - whilst still showing the matches from the country they disapprove of.
And with their team of pundits out there in person!
Pathetic!
Show the lot or show nothing at all BBC.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2022 18:30:46 GMT
Gareth Southgate says his England players will take the knee before Monday's World Cup opener against Iran. The Three Lions have carried out the anti-racism gesture before their matches since the death of George Floyd in 2020. They have decided to continue with the gesture during the tournament in Qatar after recent talks.
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Post by bidiein on Nov 20, 2022 19:12:25 GMT
Maybe not, George...
Harry Kane has been told that he faces being booked if he wears the promised rainbow armband as England manager tomorrow.
Oh dear - what a dilemma!
He promised to wear it in support of the LGBTQ community in Qatar, but if he does he could get booked!!!
What are the odds that he will decide that the match comes before supporting anything?
Meanwhile the Beeb is being dragged across the coals for refusing to show the opening ceremony. How could we hear Robbie and others making a stand from the stage about migrant workers if the BBC did not broadcast it? Instead Linekar and his panel of pea brains lectured us about Human Rights.
I doubt they have an O Level between them. If they wanted to be taken seriously with their stance they would not be broadcasting from Qatar.
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Post by Miranda on Nov 20, 2022 19:21:53 GMT
Omid Djalili has asked that England players do the Haircut gesture every time they score as a show of support for Iranian women. It was started by an Iranian men's beach soccer team who recently won an International competition.
As for the BBC, I think they would have got it in the neck from a lot of people whatever they did. TBH, the only way to really send a message to FIFA is for no one to watch it. But if the BBC had decided not to show it there would be even more upset.
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Post by bidiein on Nov 20, 2022 20:34:15 GMT
FIFA would only respond to a message had it come a year ago with all the qualifying countries declining to attend if the event was held in Qatar.
No teams, no tournament.
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