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Post by Miranda on Mar 30, 2021 10:06:23 GMT
Did any of them, apart from Dean, know about the pen in his head? They all kept saying that they thought he'd tripped and smashed his head on the bricks. It maybe that one of them suggested an ambulance and Dean talked them out of it because they were all drunk and they all had history with Walsh. And TBF, if it wasn't for the accidental reveal of his body at the scrap yard, they would have continued to get away with it.
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Post by geometryman on Mar 30, 2021 10:50:47 GMT
Don't think so, and it apparently wasn't visible - even the pathologist didn't know it was there until she scanned/X-rayed his head, and then didn't know what it was until investigating surgically.
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Post by LoopyLobes on Mar 30, 2021 11:01:13 GMT
A very moving episode. I felt so much for all of them. I can understand Dean's actions (and there's no way he could have removed that pen that was driven right in). That was a spur of the moment and an understandable release of grief and rage from what happened to his brother. I still have questions though. Why was the body stored and kept? Same for the head and hands? Who did the cutting up? Loads of questions...
Cassie's end. So sad. Her father. So sad. Her sons... Touches a few nerves with me. Coincidentally 4 years and one week ago I was in ICU after major brain surgery. My surgery was planned, but with the risks involved I had 2 sons that I'd prepared for "just in case" and my Darling Dad happened to be in the same hospital at the same time and I was trying to spare him the worry about me. Dad died a few months later. Dad... sons... Cassie. And her lovely man. Sad for them all.
I do hope that we get another series. I absolutely love Sunny.
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Post by goodhelenstar on Mar 30, 2021 11:10:41 GMT
I don't think they did. Actually the fountain pen motif was a clever bit of misdirection, as the fact the four of them used one was coincidence and Dean's was given to him by his brother, not passing out gifts to each other as many people, myself included, assumed.
I'm still puzzled by the means of concealing the body. It's no mean feat to cut off someone's head (not that I've ever done it, you understand!). And why keep him in a freezer, in fact two freezers owned by the same person? It wasn't for blackmail purposes as it turned out, and the tattoo meant that Walsh could be identified once found. As we've observed before, feeding him to pigs would have been much more effective (unless they choked on the pen!). Or taking him out to sea and chucking him over the side. But that would have required planning.
It seems to have been a moment of rage on Dean's part, unobserved by the others, who then panicked and tried to conceal it by this bizarre method, instead of calling it in, when all they'd actually done was chase him. As far as they knew no one murdered him. Did they even know what Fogarty did with the body?
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Post by Miranda on Mar 30, 2021 11:22:55 GMT
I'm not sure they did until they saw the news report. As for Fogarty, that was a lovely moment near the end when the nephew went to see the uncle he'd never met.
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Post by goodhelenstar on Mar 30, 2021 12:05:45 GMT
Chris Lang has posted on Twitter:
'Thanks for all the love during and after last night’s series 4 finale. Delighted to announce that #Unforgotten will return, with the very brilliant @tvsanjeev, and a new partner in crime, next year. #Unforgotten5'
So there we are.
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Post by Miranda on Mar 30, 2021 12:16:01 GMT
Oh that's good news. Hopefully the next one will be up to standard re the actual crime.
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Post by vicky on Mar 30, 2021 13:27:15 GMT
I'm so glad this isn't the end of Unforgotten, especially as the lovely Sunny will still be in it. He is one of my all time favourite television drama characters as he is just so thoroughly decent and nice. Nicola Walker will be a very hard act to follow though as the relationship between Cassie and Sunny was what made Unforgotten so special for me.
When Dean was explaining what growing up in a family where violence and brutality were the daily norm was like he did say that, although he tried to escape it was as though it was part of his DNA and that part of him took over when he had the chance to pay back the man who killed his brother. It was all incredibly sad.
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Post by marion on Mar 30, 2021 18:25:46 GMT
What an excellent final episode, well acted all round I thought. Andy Nyman was very powerful in the interview I thought. And what a turnaround for Ram who was pretty awful for the first episodes.
I shall miss poor Cassie, and was in floods watching the ending. I really like Sunny so I hope they do some really good casting, and that he is promoted so the newcomer isn’t his boss!
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Post by hoodylover on Mar 30, 2021 19:15:14 GMT
I'm an emotional wreck! This has been a superb detective drama for the past four series. Nicola Walker is one of those actors who inhabits the parts she plays to such an extent that you can tell what her character is thinking. That's a superb actor in my book. I'll miss her. I always liked Cassie, as she was so polite to her team and appreciative of their hard work. I thought I was going to keep it together until her dad kept replaying the last message that she sent him. That was heartbreaking. I hope Sunny has such good chemistry with his next partner, and I also hope he's the boss. He's overdue a promotion.
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Post by beverley61 on Mar 30, 2021 20:32:46 GMT
I must have missed why the body was kept and why it was dismembered. Even removing the head and hands and burying them separately over a period of time would have been better.
Can anyone fill us in on whether we missed anything. Why did he even have the body, did they choose him because he had a house?
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Post by Miranda on Mar 30, 2021 20:55:57 GMT
I don't think that was really discussed. I'm guessing that it was because he had a house and two freezers and the body could be kept in the cellar so he could just ignore once the nasty bit was done. But I don't remember any chat about that part.
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Post by sleepyp on Mar 31, 2021 8:06:26 GMT
The suggestion is that Suranne Jones is in line to play the replacement for Cassie
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Post by goodhelenstar on Mar 31, 2021 8:30:55 GMT
Noooooooo! I have not liked practically anything I've seen her in. It would become the Suranne Jones show. I've just looked her up on IMDB – she's in a series dated 2021 called Vigil as a DCI which I think can't have been shown yet. According to IMDB 'The mysterious disappearance of a Scottish fishing trawler and a death on-board a Trident nuclear submarine bring the police into conflict with the Navy and British security services.'
I'd prefer to see Sunny stepping up – he's a DI at the moment and steeped in cold cases, so not unreasonable. Then a new DI – and why not buck the trend and have two blokes? Or, as others have suggested, promote Kaz, which may be why she was brought back?
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Post by goodhelenstar on Mar 31, 2021 9:19:25 GMT
It wasn't explained. At the time of the murder Rob lived in a block of flats that was later demolished, and inherited his parents' house when they died. So he'd have had to bring the freezer containing Walsh's body with him. Perhaps it was at that time that he fitted the lock, to stop prying eyes when he was moving. We never found out who rented the storage space with the other freezer containing the head and hands. He didn't have any money so why would he pay for storage all those years?
The other glaring loose end I noticed was why Ram was helping Dean with his smuggling operation. It seems to have been Dean's operation with Ram assisting by using his contacts in Customs, PNC checks and so on. Sunny made a big point of this in Dean's interview but it was never followed up. Was it simply that Dean knew Ram hadn't murdered Walsh, as he himself did it, but he was a good manipulator and Ram himself thought the others assumed he was guilty? And yet when Dean and Ram met in the woods there seemed to be genuine affection between them. All very odd.
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Anymore to come?
